Holy crap, check out THIS growroom.

[rideit]

Inbred, does your rich buddy have one of these?
http://www.phishhook.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=550448

[Transcend]

All that money & technology, and still stupid enough to get busted.

Cream of the crop, those drug dealers.

[gangstamaxx]

Wow thats amazing. They were probobally too arrogant after 5 years of that...You think the electric bill alone would signal all kinds of red flags...people need to learn how to be discreet.

[Transcend]

I'm sure the power bill is what gave them away.

[HRDTLBRO]

I must say,
That's pretty kick ass. Reminds me of something you'd see in an old Bond movie.

[bpatterson6]

I don't smoke anything of any kind, But that's too bad.
That's a sweet setup.

F'n Cops...:mumble:

[jdcamb]

All that money & technology, and still stupid enough to get busted.

Cream of the crop, those drug dealers.

Stupid enough to get busted...hmm. Do you think they figured out how to setup that kind of operation on their own?? Drop in the bucket dude. How do you think they were able to keep that kind of operation going without help? $$ They took the fall for something way bigger. They are however smart enough to keep quiet.... By the way an ounce of weed is on par with an ounce of gold, sometimes more......

[Transcend]

Stupid enough to get busted...hmm. Do you think they figured out how to setup that kind of operation on their own?? Drop in the bucket dude. How do you think they were able to keep that kind of operation going without help? $$ They took the fall for something way bigger. They are however smart enough to keep quiet.... By the way an ounce of weed is on par with an ounce of gold, sometimes more......

Whomever was running it had brains and $, and still got their operation shut down. Ya, I'd call that pretty stupid, no matter what.

[Smelly]

I'm sure the power bill is what gave them away.

$100 says otherwise. my guess is that they were running on their own power supply, be it from massive generators which were also underground in a very well ventilated room, or from something more creative.

[jdcamb]

Whomever was running it had brains and $, and still got their operation shut down. Ya, I'd call that pretty stupid, no matter what.


Prolly factored in as the part of doing bidness. Kind of like shrink if you own a clothing store at the mall. Its a major cash crop not regulated by the gov. I just read were it was the in the top 10 ag crops in the state of washington. Shortly after 9/11 all those Canadian grow shacks serving the US market moved south. I think you will soon start to see more of this.

[Curb Hucker]

$100 says otherwise. my guess is that they were running on their own power supply, be it from massive generators which were also underground in a very well ventilated room, or from something more creative.

I agree, some sort of underground generator that was very well muffled when it exited exhaust through the ground would probably be the best way. My guess is a papertrail or an insider is what took them down.

[jimmydean]

They must have been doing something right if it took 5 years to serve the warrant.

[jdcamb]

I agree, some sort of underground generator that was very well muffled when it exited exhaust through the ground would probably be the best way. My guess is a papertrail or an insider is what took them down.

Or an ex wife who didn't like the new girlfriend around her kids and didn't agree to the terms of the divorce.....

[stevew]

"More money than common sense"

[Mizzle]

They can use helicopters equipped with special lenses that detect that type of light output. I'm moving to Tennessee soon, looks like good soil there:).:rofl:

Or could simply be the electricity bill depending on what variation or level of light was being used.

Sucks for them,
Peace John

[N8]

There are a numerous ways to get busted... and most do get caught eventaully.

[jdcamb]

There are a numerous ways to get busted... and most do get caught eventaully.

You're high. Very few get caught and most get rich actually. There are actually few ways to get busted even if your an idiot, and believe me most drug dealers are.

Most law enforcement would like you to believe that, but in fact they usually make most high level busts by accident. Any good cop will tell you that....

[GumbaFish]

Dang that is some intense stuff.

[N8]

You're high. Very few get caught and most get rich actually. There are actually few ways to get busted even if your an idiot, and believe me most drug dealers are.

Most law enforcement would like you to believe that, but in fact they usually make most high level busts by accident. Any good cop will tell you that....


You're right... that's what I ment to say... ;)

[goodtobeIrie]

you'd think that with that money and technology...they would have bothered to employ someone with a "green thumb"....spindly plants compared to many other pictures I've seen...

[Smelly]

They can use helicopters equipped with special lenses that detect that type of light output.

I'd be suprised if that was it because the growroom was probably far enough underground (150 ft) to avoid being picked up. The ground would've insulated it enough so that it wouldn't be noticed by infrared.


Sucks for them,


:stupid:

[spincrazy]

I'd be suprised if that was it because the growroom was probably far enough underground (150 ft) to avoid being picked up. The ground would've insulated it enough so that it wouldn't be noticed by infrared.

:stupid:

bah, no way it was 150 feet. It said 3 yards in. I don't think it meant 3 yards down. maybe, but that's a lot of digging...

I'm going to look up the story elsewhere and find out what really happened. Hope i can find something.

[spincrazy]

Definitely less than 150, half actually.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/archive/index.php/t-18763.html

http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news/16227.asp



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Officials Make Largest Drug Bust in Middle Tennessee
Posted: 12/16/2005 5:06:00 PM
Updated: 12/16/2005 10:21:46 PM

Officials Make Largest Drug Bust in Middle Tennessee

It’s the largest marijuana drug bust in Middle Tennessee, and it's in the smallest county in the state.

Officials are on their way to Florida to pick up the third person in the drug operation, the District Attorney says could generate $8,000 (<=this must be a typo) per year.

Federal, state, and local investigators have shut down a huge pot growing and distribution operation in Trousdale County, in the Cato community. Officials there say marijuana was planted and growing in a cave that ran two miles long.

The head of this operation actually built his home above the cave, and had secret tunnels leading underground. The house had no furniture inside. The cave, 75 feet underground included underground offices, 800 marijuana plants, growing operations, cooling systems, heat lamps, and so much power it would sometimes knock out transformers to the entire community.

“ It’s a beautiful A frame house which was completely barren as far as furniture, built on top of a natural cave,” said Assistant District Attorney David Durham.

“This cave is really like something you’d see in a James Bond movie,” said Durham.

It’s enough marijuana to make those behind the operation millionaires.

“ I’ve prosecuted a lot of indoor operations. I’ve seen them under houses, in barns, but never ever would have thought of anything of this magnitude and this sophistication, this kind of money, especially in a little place like Trousdale, Tennessee.

Thousands of plants and more than $50,000 were found.

Three arrests have been made, but more are expected. Brian Gibson and Greg Compton are both in jail in Trousdale County facing drug charges. Officials are on the way to Florida to pick up the third defendant, Fred Strunk.

Members of the community say their small town has no room for drug dealers.

“I’m real proud that they caught them. And they got rid of it. So the kids around here and my grandkids maybe can have a safe environment to live in,” said Carolyn Harville. Harville runs the Dixon Spring Market.

The investigation has been going on for five years. This marijuana was not staying in the Trousdale county area. It was being trafficked out in a very sophisticated operation.

The two suspects who are in custody in Trousdale county are being held on $500,000 bond.

[Smelly]

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060107/NEWS03/601070334/1017/NEWS

all sorts of news stories can be found on google. just type in the guy's names: Brian Gibson, Greg Compton and Fred Strunk

edit- spincrazy beat me to it.
spin- i just said 150 because that's what # was said in the thread on Phishhook

[dfinn]

so much power it would sometimes knock out transformers to the entire community.

dumbasses. If they weren't so greedy and scaled back their operation they probably could've gotten away with this forever.

[DaveW]

Man the main entrance was a solid bugger.... would need a lot of plastique to blow that open! :eek:

[blue]

still stupid

Except the drug dealers really have figured out the get-rich-quick scheme for the middle and lower class in capitalist society, whereas the rest of us suckers...well...you know...

[Transcend]

Except the drug dealers really have figured out the get-rich-quick scheme for the middle and lower class in capitalist society, whereas the rest of us suckers...well...you know...

Dunno about you, but I make more then enough to get by and I work for myself. All this without needing to go to a pound me in the ass federal prison!

Also, so it looks like it WAS the power that got them. Complete and utter morons.

[adurham]

Its like the Bat Cave for stoners.......thats intense

[blue]

Dunno about you, but I make more then enough to get by and work for myself.

Consider yourself lucky? Sorry, but if you want to have a really good chance at climbing out of the under $75k pit, be a drug lord. It's not hard. Sure, there's risks, but it's not hard, and once you own enough coca plantations in Columbia, just get in bed with the US gov't. You're set fo life!

[Transcend]

Consider yourself lucky? Sorry, but if you want to have a really good chance at climbing out of the under $75k pit, be a drug lord. It's not hard. Sure, there's risks, but it's not hard, and once you own enough coca plantations in Columbia, just get in bed with the US gov't. You're set fo life!

And you will always have that spectre of bubba and getting shot hanging over your head.

I'll stick to making webpages and taking pretty pictures. :weee:

[blue]

This is an angry poor college students rage directed at Fraser.

http://uepc014.ee.qub.ac.uk/rtr/special_features/mr_angry/mr_angry.jpg

[JRB]

This thread is another great example of how stupid this blue kid is.

[Ciaran]

In general the LEO needs a warrant to check elecric bills and to infrared your house. (Varies by state, though... last time I checked, anyway.).

It could have been any number of reasons they got busted. Blabbed to friends too much, one of them could have been pulled over and caught with fresh stuff, LEO could have busted some small time dealer and followed the chain up to them, heck, someone could have stumbled on the op and reported it.

And they are not stupid for getting busted. It sounds like the cops worked very hard to bust these guys. If the guy was stupid he would have been busted five years ago. I think many of you label these kinds of people as stupid because you don't smoke, don't like people who do smoke and are just trying to act self righteous.

Edit: Although this... " and so much power it would sometimes knock out transformers to the entire community." could have raised a few eyebrows. heh heh...

[dfinn]

what's LEO? I thought it was DEA that handled issues like this.

[GumbaFish]

I'm not certain but it sounds like some people are saying the only way to make a decent living is to be drug lord? I am sorry but there is nothing decent about that and would rather earn my money doing something meaningful and respectable than being some 2 bit drug lord in the burbs.

[GumbaFish]

This is an angry poor college students rage directed at Fraser.

http://uepc014.ee.qub.ac.uk/rtr/special_features/mr_angry/mr_angry.jpg
I'm a poor college student, and am in no way angry. I'm lucky I can even afford to attend college because so many people can't. But hey if people are angry because they are spending 4 years doing something that will ultimately translate into higher earnings and better jobs for the rest of their life I guess its their problem:rolleyes:

[blue]

I'm just angry I'm not a drug dealer, that's all.

I really do fail to see how some people can't pay for school. Granted, our uni system sucks compared to other developed countries (big shock?), but Stafford Loans, grants, private ed loans, etc make it not that hard to get through college if you go to a state school (without parental support...I'm doing it...).

[Transcend]

I'm a poor college student, and am in no way angry. I'm lucky I can even afford to attend college because so many people can't. But hey if people are angry because they are spending 4 years doing something that will ultimately translate into higher earnings and better jobs for the rest of their life I guess its their problem:rolleyes:

Way more years in college then that for me, although pretty much none of it related to my current profession. Paid for all of it on my own, or with scholarships. No parents, and the one loan I took out is now paid.

Nice gratuitous use of Mr Grumpy tho! I had that entire series as a kid.

[blue]

Way more years in college then that for me, although pretty much none of it related to my current profession.

That's what I'm afraid of...I do know most employers don't really give a damn about what you majored in, just that you graduated (unless it's a specialized field), but it still bothers me. I don't want to get stuck being a financial consultant with a degree in International Relations, y'know?

[bikenweed]

The local police just busted an Al-Qaida (spelling?) chapter in my town. They were selling weed, hash and pistols in order to finance terrorism. Who would you rather sell drugs, people linked to terrorist groups or a couple dudes in the burbs?

[Transcend]

That's what I'm afraid of...I do know most employers don't really give a damn about what you majored in, just that you graduated (unless it's a specialized field), but it still bothers me. I don't want to get stuck being a financial consultant with a degree in International Relations, y'know?

Hell, i have a J school degree and a degree in Poli Sci (Int'l Relations). I knew it would be pretty much useless unless i A) managed to get in with reuters or a similiar wire service or B) became a political analyst. No way I could ever teach, as I have 0 patience for that sort of thing.

As it is I sorta use the journalism thing working as a photojournalist, but the majority of my income is from design work. I have absolutely no training in that and just sort of picked it up as I went along through school.

Edit: I am super happy doing what I do, although I would LOVE to be working for a Reuters office. I was accepted into their news school in London, but didn't get my UK Work Visa in time and lost eligibility and would have to apply again.

If you are happy as a business consultant, what's the problem? No matter what degree you have, being happy at your job is super important in my eyes. Having a degree out of field can be really handy in some jobs, and it makes college interesting. No way I would have survived the time I did in college doing tech/comp sci etc. The extraneous classes would have killed me with boredom.

[-dustin]

that's amazing. hell, that's probably where my old roomie's weed came from. i know his supplier was based out of Houston. that guy got busted around 2003, i believe. roomie made so much money selling that stuff, even being the 2nd or 3rd in line. i swear he pulled in a good 2 - 3k a month, only 'working' a couple nights a week. i remember he told me he could give me a 20 - 25% return on a $1000. i wish he was around now...one of the most intelligent people i have ever met.

i agree with the comment about employers not giving two ****s what your degree is in, just that you graduated. that's the only reason i'm still in school...and looking forward to my $40,700 loan to pay off.

[Transcend]

The local police just busted an Al-Qaida (spelling?) chapter in my town. They were selling weed, hash and pistols in order to finance terrorism. Who would you rather sell drugs, people linked to terrorist groups or a couple dudes in the burbs?

Wait, so it was what? 2 Arab guys selling hash? Yep, has to be terrorism. :rofl:

Not that I doubt you, but at this point, I'm sure the US media will spin EVERYTHING into being terrorism related. Hell now you get a special with every drug bust: war on terror/war on drugs. 2 wars for the price of 1! This is especially important if they used illegal wiretaps, botches the evidence or investigation or the perps have really good lawyers. Send em away to guantanamo!

[bikenweed]

Wait, so it was what? 2 Arab guys selling hash? Yep, has to be terrorism. :rofl:

Not that I doubt you, but at this point, I'm sure the US media will spin EVERYTHING into being terrorism related. Hell now you get a special with every drug bust: war on terror/war on drugs. 2 wars for the price of 1! This is especially important if they used illegal wiretaps, botches the evidence or investigation or the perps have really good lawyers. Send em away to guantanamo!

Dude, I live in Alicante, Spain, not the USA. There's a lot of American tourism here, and a lot of Americans that buy pot, hash, coke, x, etc. from street dealers. A lot of these street dealers are directly connected to Al-Qaida. Scary but true, at least according to ALL my professors, and the 3 policemen I'm friends with, and ride bikes with.

[Transcend]

Dude, I live in Alicante, Spain, not the USA. There's a lot of American tourism here, and a lot of Americans that buy pot, hash, coke, x, etc. from street dealers. A lot of these street dealers are directly connected to Al-Qaida. Scary but true, at least according to ALL my professors, and the 3 policemen I'm friends with, and ride bikes with.

Like I said, I don't doubt you. It's a known financing method (especially heroin etc). But in the US, you know how this would work out in this day and age. I sincerely doubt the street dealers are, but the higher ups I can believe.

[DaveW]

Just out of curriosity, how do your "Professors" know this?

[maxyedor]

Wait, so it was what? 2 Arab guys selling hash? Yep, has to be terrorism. :rofl:

Not that I doubt you, but at this point, I'm sure the US media will spin EVERYTHING into being terrorism related. Hell now you get a special with every drug bust: war on terror/war on drugs. 2 wars for the price of 1! This is especially important if they used illegal wiretaps, botches the evidence or investigation or the perps have really good lawyers. Send em away to guantanamo!

Hey aren't you from Canada? Who are you to make fun of our media and our judicial system? Just because yours is all efficient and stuff, gives you no right.:rolleyes:

Back to the subject at hand. I still wonder why the U.S. hasn't legalized weed. They could make a killing taxing it, add that to the money saved not trying to take down these operations. I don't smoke it but the capitalist in me sees a great biz. oppertunity.

[Changleen]

It's just such a waste that weed is illegal. Seriously, what's the point?

[Changleen]

The local police just busted an Al-Qaida (spelling?) chapter in my town. They were selling weed, hash and pistols in order to finance terrorism. Who would you rather sell drugs, people linked to terrorist groups or a couple dudes in the burbs?Whatever dude. You're a sucka if you believe that.

[Transcend]

Hey aren't you from Canada? Who are you to make fun of our media and our judicial system? Just because yours is all efficient and stuff, gives you no right.:rolleyes:

Back to the subject at hand. I still wonder why the U.S. hasn't legalized weed. They could make a killing taxing it, add that to the money saved not trying to take down these operations. I don't smoke it but the capitalist in me sees a great biz. oppertunity.

Our justice system is far from perfect...in fact at times it is frighteningly bad. Case in point: Guy kills a 17 year old after his 4th DUI conviction. Serves 32 months, finally goes to trial and gets sentenced. He gets credit for 32 months served, and is in jail for a maximum of 2 more months. Then he will be released, and allowed to drive again in a year???? WTF? This is a current case BTW, sentencing was last week.

Anywho, I completely agree about the weeb thing. I don't touch the stuff myself, but I cannot honestly see the problem. Prohibition didn't go over so well in the US when they tried that, and now they make a killing on taxing the stuff.

Having legal pot, where pricing, growing conditions etc is controlled and the gov't taxes them out the wazoo a la ciggs makes sense to me.

Hell, isn't it actually better for you then tobacco smoke and the various paper chemicals and such? Not to mention being less addictive due to a lack of Nicotine.

[bikenweed]

Just out of curriosity, how do your "Professors" know this?

Because they read the local paper, listen to the local radio, and are local citizens who have a strong interest in politics and local happenings, and are a rather educated source. It's common knowledge that Al-Qaida is here. I didn't believe it at first, but after I read about it in the paper, heard about it from the professors, and then had friends in the Guardia Civil and Policia Local tell me about it, I believe it.

I see nothing wrong with selling pot that is home grown and without connections to terrorist groups. Someone's gotta do it, might as well be someone that cultivates at home and not some sketchy dude on someone else's land who will kill his competition.

[Transcend]

Because they read the local paper, listen to the local radio, and are local citizens who have a strong interest in politics and local happenings, and are a rather educated source. It's common knowledge that Al-Qaida is here. I didn't believe it at first, but after I read about it in the paper, heard about it from the professors, and then had friends in the Guardia Civil and Policia Local tell me about it, I believe it.

I see nothing wrong with selling pot that is home grown and without connections to terrorist groups. Someone's gotta do it, might as well be someone that cultivates at home and not some sketchy dude on someone else's land who will kill his competition.

The street dealers aren't AQ. They are street thugs, just like every other street level dealer selling nickel bags. The media in any country right now appears to want to put the OMG terrists spin on things.

The problem with some rednecks growing it, is that you never know what you are truly going to get. Also, you may end up shot in a deal gone bad. The gas station attendant probably wouldn't blow you away for shortchanging him on a pack of joints by accident.

[Changleen]

Al Quaeda now apparantly means "Arabs who have an opinion about he west".

[maxyedor]

Our justice system is far from perfect...in fact at times it is frighteningly bad. Case in point: Guy kills a 17 year old after his 4th DUI conviction. Serves 32 months, finally goes to trial and gets sentenced. He gets credit for 32 months served, and is in jail for a maximum of 2 more months. Then he will be released, and allowed to drive again in a year???? WTF? This is a current case BTW, sentencing was last week.


That is pretty fvcked up. Even without the DUI 34 months for vehicular manslaughter is realy realy light.

[bikenweed]

This could, of course, all be complete BS, but I doubt it. I've seen some shady stuff go down already. Some really shady stuff, and I'm not even in the "shady scene". There's a reason I don't sell weed, and I'm not going to go into detail. Call me a sucker, but come out of your shell over in the states and realize that terrorism is real. Resort town, people with money, what better way to finance some bombs and some research?

Not the best sources, but Spanish government has little to benefit from lying about Al-Qaida and its presence after the 3-11 attacks in Madrid.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/12/9/70006.shtml
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=3661859
http://english.people.com.cn/200309/19/eng20030919_124572.shtml
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?issue_id=3131

[Transcend]

That is pretty fvcked up. Even without the DUI 34 months for vehicular manslaughter is realy realy light.

Apparently in Quebec, most people get 2 years for this???

I am trying to find the case now, sentencing was late last week, wed/thurs.

[Transcend]

This could, of course, all be complete BS, but I doubt it. I've seen some shady stuff go down already. Some really shady stuff, and I'm not even in the "shady scene". There's a reason I don't sell weed, and I'm not going to go into detail. Call me a sucker, but come out of your shell over in the states and realize that terrorism is real. Resort town, people with money, what better way to finance some bombs and some research?

Not the best sources, but Spanish government has little to benefit from lying about Al-Qaida and its presence after the 3-11 attacks in Madrid.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/12/9/70006.shtml
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=3661859
http://english.people.com.cn/200309/19/eng20030919_124572.shtml
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?issue_id=3131

What does a bombing have to do with a street thug? Seriously dude, the street level dealers aren't exactly AQ higher ups. They are thugs, pawns. I have no doubt that the head of the black tar network could be AQ..but they are safely away from Spanish authorities in a mud hut somewhere near Peshawar or the backwaters of Afghanistan. This is about as close are true AQ links get to dealing drugs.

[Ciaran]

what's LEO? I thought it was DEA that handled issues like this.
LEO = Law Enforecement Officer. (Of any type)

[bikenweed]

I definitely agree with you that the street dudes with the backpacks and fanny packs aren't AQ.

But the dudes the buy their stock from...
The dudes who bring in the pot and who bring in the pistols...
The land owners in Morocco who grow huge crops, and who need protection from the corrupt Moroccan gov...

The bottom line is that a lot of money gets sent to AQ as a result of pot, hash and small arms sales here in town. It's really easy to get drugs/guns through Africa to Morocco, and we're only a couple hours away by boat. You can see Morocco from Granada. It's better to have some random rednecks with money, spending it frivolously, than to have people crashing airplanes into buildings and blowing up crowded subways.

Do you guys think we could alleviate some of the corruption in South and Central America by legalizing pot in the states? I don't think it would change a whole lot, but it might be a step in the right direction. It would definitely be an interesting experiment, but these issues are waaaay complicated.

[Kevin]

http://static.flickr.com/33/103142199_9b3407aa95.jpg?v=0

Theyre even dumber then you think because theyre growing it all wrong.
The should keep the plants as low as possible (about 40cm off the ground) to get the best harvest.
The plants will grow towards the light so they have obviously had the lamps up to high.

The electrical bill is your smallest worry when you grow weed in your basement. At least in Holland it is, we have tons of ways to set the meter back or make it run slower while your using as much power as is done in a grow house.
The main problem is usually how to get all the weed and rest garbage out without anyone seeing it.
Therefore when someone does see it theres a good chance the police will hear about it and thats the main reason why people get busted here.

In Holland there are thousands of people doing this in their homes (or other places) to make some extra money. Its sold directly form a home to a "coffeeshop" that can sell it to anyone who is 18+.
The stupid thing is that its illegal for someone to grow it at home and sell it to the coffeeshop but its legal for the coffeeshop to sell it to the public.

Coffeeshop or hashbar how you call it from what Ive learned watching pulp fiction....
http://www.catweazle.nl/images/sfeerfoto_cborg.jpg

You can read in English about this place on their website.
In Holland they have an awards kind of thing for who has the best weed and theyve won it a couple of times so its a pretty good shop.

http://www.catweazle.nl/uk/uk_index.html

Ive seen my share of growhouses and I even made a few installations myself for friends, some of the houses Ive seen were setup really professional like the one in Tennesee but others were a timebomb waiting to blow with bad wiring and no ventilation.
Lots of fires start in these houses and sometimes there can be lots of waterdamage due to leaking pots so a lot of people get busted because of this too.

About the helicopter thing...
Im pretty sure it happens in Holland but not on a large scale, Ive been told they use infra red to track down high masses of heat in houses and even during winters they just patrol an area to see if theres a house that doesnt have snow on the roof. :teacher:

[sanjuro]

C'mon guys. One massive growroom gets busted after 5+ years of being in business. I guess that mean SF's cannabis clubs are closing their doors.

This is like arresting Noriega has stopped the South American drug trade.

[Kevin]

What kind of punishment would you guys think the owner will get?
In Holland he would only have to pay some money to the goverment and then the money for the power thats been used.
And if he's smart he has that money put aside from what he made of the weed before he gets busted so theres really no problem at all usually.

[blue]

Hey Kevin, I know it's legal to buy in Holland, but is the illegal growing just growing at home or do you need a special permit etc to do it?

[BuddhaRoadkill]

Back to the subject at hand. I still wonder why the U.S. hasn't legalized weed. They could make a killing taxing it, add that to the money saved not trying to take down these operations. I don't smoke it but the capitalist in me sees a great biz. oppertunity.
Thats our money saved, not theirs. To them it's a paycheck. Thats your answer.

[dirt-dart]

damn... thats like a secret base or something under there!

drugs are bad.:rofl:

[Kevin]

Hey Kevin, I know it's legal to buy in Holland, but is the illegal growing just growing at home or do you need a special permit etc to do it?

Growing weed at home is perfectly legal up to 5 plants if I remember correctly, but u can not use any artificial form of lighting to enhance the growth or use watering systems because then its regarded as "professional" use.
The growing that takes place in larger amounts that provide coffeeshops is allways done illegally and so is selling it to the coffeeshop.
The coffeshop can then sell it legally but where they get their supply is allways a secret to authorities.

I know it doesnt make sense but its just the way it works here and it works pretty good imo.
Theres a lot less criminal activity envolved in selling it to the public and I think thats a good thing.
The only bad thing is that theres a lot of growhouses that are a threat to their neighbourhood because a bad installation can cause a fire or waterdamage.

The goverment are even looking into growing it themselves or let companys do it for them but theres a lot of factors that stand in the way.
The E.U. is obviously against it but theres even a bigger factor that they have to deal with.
When the weed is professionally grown by companys there will be a lot more costs and the weed will get more expensive.
When the weed gets more expensive there will be more people offering it in the illegal scene and the whole ID of legalizing to stop criminal activity is flushed down the drain.
And there even is a third factor.
There's so many people growing weed in their houses that are totally dependend on the money their making of of it that if they would lose their "bussiness" they would have to find something else to make money and that would again result in rising crime rates.

Its pretty much a grey area now and when you think of it its just weird that u can buy it in a coffeeshop legaly but the coffeeshop has to get it somewhere illegally.
It still seems to work just fine so I dont see any other sollution for our situation and I dont really think there is another sollution at this time.

Not that I really give a damn cause Im not in the bussiness anymore and I havent smoked in years.

[hooples3]

nice little set up.... sounds like an upcoming construction project

[Transcend]

Growing weed at home is perfectly legal up to 5 plants if I remember correctly, but u can not use any artificial form of lighting to enhance the growth or use watering systems because then its regarded as "professional" use.
The growing that takes place in larger amounts that provide coffeeshops is allways done illegally and so is selling it to the coffeeshop.
The coffeshop can then sell it legally but where they get their supply is allways a secret to authorities.

I know it doesnt make sense but its just the way it works here and it works pretty good imo.
Theres a lot less criminal activity envolved in selling it to the public and I think thats a good thing.
The only bad thing is that theres a lot of growhouses that are a threat to their neighbourhood because a bad installation can cause a fire or waterdamage.

The goverment are even looking into growing it themselves or let companys do it for them but theres a lot of factors that stand in the way.
The E.U. is obviously against it but theres even a bigger factor that they have to deal with.
When the weed is professionally grown by companys there will be a lot more costs and the weed will get more expensive.
When the weed gets more expensive there will be more people offering it in the illegal scene and the whole ID of legalizing to stop criminal activity is flushed down the drain.
And there even is a third factor.
There's so many people growing weed in their houses that are totally dependend on the money their making of of it that if they would lose their "bussiness" they would have to find something else to make money and that would again result in rising crime rates.

Its pretty much a grey area now and when you think of it its just weird that u can buy it in a coffeeshop legaly but the coffeeshop has to get it somewhere illegally.
It still seems to work just fine so I dont see any other sollution for our situation and I dont really think there is another sollution at this time.

Not that I really give a damn cause Im not in the bussiness anymore and I havent smoked in years.

There is an easy way around these problems you know.

Make it legal to grow / sell with a permit.

The govt can then make sure the quality is there, make sure the people pay for power and most importantly - tax the growers income and sales of the product.

Win Win Win.

Users get good safe stuff
People keep their businesses
proper utilities get their $, Gov gets their $

The invisible hand will take care of market value.

[bikenweed]

Agreed. So why ISN'T bud legal in Canada or the USA? Are we suffering from the slippery slope fallacy of legalizing bud means legalizng all vices and throwing society into the crapper, ending life as we know it?

Seriously, why isn't it legal and regulated?

One thing to consider is the price of one of those permits to grow, it might alienate the small time grower. I'm afraid the big tobacco companies will just start producing some nasty, nicotine laden pot and selling it like cigarettes, with tons of preservatives and nasty chemicals.

[Ciaran]

Seriously, why isn't it legal and regulated?


That is a question that has many opinions and answers. Do some research on it, you'll find that it's a fascinating (and fairly complex) subject.

[BurlyShirley]

Imagine if all the work that went into that place was put to some legitimate use. I mean seriously, all that work, all that planning..all for nothing in the end. Ahhh, the mind of a stoner.
Anyway, about the power thing, they were actually pretty smart about that. They tapped into a main line and stole the power. So its not like they just had some huge bill and the cops got a warrant.

[BigMike]

For a good cause or not, that is some pretty innovative stuff there. I am seriously impressed.
I'm not quite sure why they didn't have any furniture in the house though.......


I think i'll go buy that house, and turn the cave into a bike shop :D

[Transcend]

Agreed. So why ISN'T bud legal in Canada or the USA? Are we suffering from the slippery slope fallacy of legalizing bud means legalizng all vices and throwing society into the crapper, ending life as we know it?

Seriously, why isn't it legal and regulated?

One thing to consider is the price of one of those permits to grow, it might alienate the small time grower. I'm afraid the big tobacco companies will just start producing some nasty, nicotine laden pot and selling it like cigarettes, with tons of preservatives and nasty chemicals.

Alienating the small growers my ass.

Tobacco is taxed out the ass....you don't see many people growing their own...

[particle bored]

All that money & technology, and still stupid enough to get busted.

Cream of the crop, those drug dealers.

two thoughts.

1) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140299963/qid=1140983412/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2946271-7458210?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

2) the US Dept of Justice, FBI, ATF and sometimes US military have been in rabid pursuit of the dangeous THC vector suppliers, while letting the real rapists at Big Pharma run the show, which is why they're cracking so hard on the cannabis. the fascists are in control and things will only continue to get worse until America wakes up from its bogus false dichotomy that Rep/Dem is something of substantive choice.

or something like that.

I think it's absurd that alcohol and pharmaceuticals call the shots on cannabis laws and their enforcement. but apparently I'm not in the majority here in the USA, where most would prefer that corporations tell them what they can and cannot do.

[particle bored]

Imagine if all the work that went into that place was put to some legitimate use. I mean seriously, all that work, all that planning..all for nothing in the end. Ahhh, the mind of a stoner.
Anyway, about the power thing, they were actually pretty smart about that. They tapped into a main line and stole the power. So its not like they just had some huge bill and the cops got a warrant.

all for nothing in the end? what is "nothing," and what would be your "something"?

phase converters can change the apparent current reading. ask any electrician. you don't have to steal power, which is a dumb move in the first place, unless you intend to get caught. for-profit businesses don't much like people stealing their profit margins.

[Smelly]

Alienating the small growers my ass.

Tobacco is taxed out the ass....you don't see many people growing their own...

I've heard it's illegal to privately grow tobacco for personal use in the U.S., though I don't know it for a fact. Can anyone verify or deny this?

[Transcend]

two thoughts.

1) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140299963/qid=1140983412/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-2946271-7458210?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

2) the US Dept of Justice, FBI, ATF and sometimes US military have been in rabid pursuit of the dangeous THC vector suppliers, while letting the real rapists at Big Pharma run the show, which is why they're cracking so hard on the cannabis. the fascists are in control and things will only continue to get worse until America wakes up from its bogus false dichotomy that Rep/Dem is something of substantive choice.

or something like that.

I think it's absurd that alcohol and pharmaceuticals call the shots on cannabis laws and their enforcement. but apparently I'm not in the majority here in the USA, where most would prefer that corporations tell them what they can and cannot do.

Go back to the 60s Mr Anti-Establishment.

[BurlyShirley]

all for nothing in the end? what is "nothing," and what would be your "something"?

phase converters can change the apparent current reading. ask any electrician. you don't have to steal power, which is a dumb move in the first place, unless you intend to get caught. for-profit businesses don't much like people stealing their profit margins.

My "nothing" would be a seizure of any money these guys made AND the long stints in prison they will be doing and my "something" would be any legitimate business that wouldnt end in the same manner. :rolleyes:

Edit: and how is changing the "apparent reading" of a meter not stealing?

[johnbryanpeters]

Imagine if all the work that went into that place was put to some legitimate use. I mean seriously, all that work, all that planning..all for nothing in the end. Ahhh, the mind of a stoner.
Anyway, about the power thing, they were actually pretty smart about that. They tapped into a main line and stole the power. So its not like they just had some huge bill and the cops got a warrant.
Legitimate use... Like what, Enron?

Nothing in the end? Possibly, possibly not.

When Bush baby declared a war on terrorism, I considered the war on drugs and got the giggles.

J

[ALEXIS_DH]

Except the drug dealers really have figured out the get-rich-quick scheme for the middle and lower class in capitalist society, whereas the rest of us suckers...well...you know...

i've read a book written by a Uchicago business professor, on the economics of drug dealing.
very interesting, freakonomics was the title. from real street data, he figured out that drug dealing in the US (or at least in chicago) was like a mcdonalds kinda corporation, or like the sports industry...

the foot soldiers were making less than minimum wage (hours in the street working/income), they were likely to be stabbed 4 times in 2 years, and their life expectancy wasnt very high either...
yet people go into that business thinking about becoming one of the top dogs (the top 1% of the crack corporate pyramid).
quite an interesting read.

[DirtyDog]

There are a numerous ways to get busted... and most do get caught eventaully.

Thanks for the public service announcement.

[particle bored]

Go back to the 60s Mr Anti-Establishment.

1) what is "the 60s" and what makes them relevant to your comment?

2) what is the "Establishment" and what do you think makes me "anti-" that Establishment?

3) thanks for your "insight" (quotation marks intentional, look up their use in Strunk & White)

[particle bored]

My "nothing" would be a seizure of any money these guys made AND the long stints in prison they will be doing and my "something" would be any legitimate business that wouldnt end in the same manner. :rolleyes:

Edit: and how is changing the "apparent reading" of a meter not stealing?

1) please define "legitimate" and "business"

2) phase converters don't change appearances. they change the stream of electricity. they are not fraudulent. where did you get that idea?

3) it's dangerous to pretend at knowledge when you're more naive than a rock.

[particle bored]

Legitimate use... Like what, Enron?

Nothing in the end? Possibly, possibly not.

When Bush baby declared a war on terrorism, I considered the war on drugs and got the giggles.

J

"legitimate" presumably means "approved by the corporate powers that are running the Bush Admin".

sometimes I shudder at the ignorance in which some people take such pride.

[BurlyShirley]

1) please define "legitimate" and "business"
This isnt too hard a concept for you to grasp is it? That obeying laws keeps you out of jail. Say what you want about the upper echelon and its criminals (as JBP did) but owning a legitimate business that is not illegal is not that rare a thing.



2) phase converters don't change appearances. they change the stream of electricity. they are not fraudulent. where did you get that idea?
I got the idea when you said
phase converters can change the apparent current reading
So from your own mouth, WTF are you talking about?


3) it's dangerous to pretend at knowledge when you're more naive than a rock.
What's dangerous about arguing with tinfoil hat wearing losers like yourself on the internet?

[BurlyShirley]

Just to add: I looked up a little info on your "phase converter" and here's what it said


Will running a phase converter affect my utility bill?

In most cases, a phase converter will have little or no effect on your bill. This is because the load will take exactly the same number of kilowatt-hours of electricity regardless of whether it is being registered on a three-phase or single-phase meter. Any change in your power bill will be caused not by the converter, but by the rate structure that the utility applies to single-phase power vs three-phase power.


So now we see that you are, in fact, just talking out of your ass like I thought. Or do you just not understand the concept of how power companies track usage to find growers?
A phase converter simply allows for a more steady power stream to things that require a heavy load. They dont in any way hide that you all of a sudden started running 5,000 high intensity lights in a tunnel under your house.

[Changleen]

Just to add: I looked up a little info on your "phase converter" and here's what it saidYou had to look that up?

U Fvckin' dumb sh1t.

:D

[DaveW]

Hey go easy on Girley shirley.... at least she didn't do his usual "talkin outta her arse" routine. ;)

[blue]

i've read a book written by a Uchicago business professor, on the economics of drug dealing.
very interesting, freakonomics was the title. from real street data, he figured out that drug dealing in the US (or at least in chicago) was like a mcdonalds kinda corporation, or like the sports industry...

the foot soldiers were making less than minimum wage (hours in the street working/income), they were likely to be stabbed 4 times in 2 years, and their life expectancy wasnt very high either...
yet people go into that business thinking about becoming one of the top dogs (the top 1% of the crack corporate pyramid).
quite an interesting read.

Really? You can make bank running weed between BC and the US, as long as you can get through the border. I'm not talking dealing here, I'm talking transportation/growing your own. Buying from people already in the states will get you the shaft.

[fluff]

Imagine if all the work that went into that place was put to some legitimate use. I mean seriously, all that work, all that planning..all for nothing in the end. Ahhh, the mind of a stoner.
Anyway, about the power thing, they were actually pretty smart about that. They tapped into a main line and stole the power. So its not like they just had some huge bill and the cops got a warrant.
Hmm, I often ask myself the same question about 'defence' spending..

[particle bored]

Burley Shirley, you are one stupid fool. You cover it up by "talk out of your ass" allegations.

1) I'm a lawyer and I know what laws do in our society. your "lecture" on laws meant little to nothing, as it only revealed your ignorance of the subject. maybe you think every single law ever signed into effect is valid and has moral and ethical force. if so, you are one ignorant fool. laws are made by whomever is in power to protect that power's status. if laws were about justice, Burley Bloody Gashgirl, we'd have no poverty and we'd have had no legitimate reason to steal Iraq's oil. but you don't know enough to see this, do you?

2) what my electrician friends tell me is that phase converters wired in certain ways can reduce your consumption, NOT your "power readings" which is what you are focused on. again, you try to twist what you imagine as my position, into something you can deride. how silly, how illogical, and how like an avowed ignoramus. and besides, if my electrician friends are wrong, then they're wrong. it doesn't insult me. I don't pretend at the knowledge they possess. not like you do.

3) what the phoque is it with the "tinfoil hat" nonsense? what are you trying to say in your avowed ignoramus slang?

[particle bored]

Hmm, I often ask myself the same question about 'defence' spending..

yeah no schitt. the same stupid arrogant chest thumpers who claim "we're number 1, the world's great superpower" think we need to have "defense spending" as if anyone is moronic enough to mount a serious military campaign against the usa. hint: the staged events of 9/11/2001 were not a military campaign AGAINST the usa, they were an orchestrated campaign BY members of the usa govt.

that's what is sick. and wrong. and indefensible.

http://www.counterpunch.org/phillips02092006.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/rudmin02172006.html

[BurlyShirley]

Burley Shirley, you are one stupid fool. You cover it up by "talk out of your ass" allegations.

1) I'm a lawyer and I know what laws do in our society. your "lecture" on laws meant little to nothing, as it only revealed your ignorance of the subject. maybe you think every single law ever signed into effect is valid and has moral and ethical force. if so, you are one ignorant fool. laws are made by whomever is in power to protect that power's status. if laws were about justice, Burley Bloody Gashgirl, we'd have no poverty and we'd have had no legitimate reason to steal Iraq's oil. but you don't know enough to see this, do you?

2) what my electrician friends tell me is that phase converters wired in certain ways can reduce your consumption, NOT your "power readings" which is what you are focused on. again, you try to twist what you imagine as my position, into something you can deride. how silly, how illogical, and how like an avowed ignoramus. and besides, if my electrician friends are wrong, then they're wrong. it doesn't insult me. I don't pretend at the knowledge they possess. not like you do.

3) what the phoque is it with the "tinfoil hat" nonsense? what are you trying to say in your avowed ignoramus slang?

If you truly are a lawyer (which I highly doubt) I hope that in court when your arguments are completely dismantled that you dont just resort to petty insults like you did here. Dont make a statement assuming you know what something is and then try to deny responsibility for it by saying "thats what someone told me, so its not my fault"
As for your point on laws, I made no such ethical connection. I only said that if they followed the rules, they could have been quite successful with their dilligent work and not ended up in jail.
Again, if you are a lawyer, I feel sorry for your clients.

[Transcend]

yeah no schitt. the same stupid arrogant chest thumpers who claim "we're number 1, the world's great superpower" think we need to have "defense spending" as if anyone is moronic enough to mount a serious military campaign against the usa. hint: the staged events of 9/11/2001 were not a military campaign AGAINST the usa, they were an orchestrated campaign BY members of the usa govt.

that's what is sick. and wrong. and indefensible.

http://www.counterpunch.org/phillips02092006.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/rudmin02172006.html

No one attacks the us DUE TO the astronomical defense spending. Jesus. Wake up.:rolleyes:

Lawyer my ass, you are nothing more then a fool. Your electrician friends are also pretty incompetent if he thinks a 3 phase converter will reduce power. All it does is supply nice clean power in all 3 phases for large electric motors, such as those in heavy machinery.

If you would actually like to learn about WTF you are talking about, I suggest you go here:http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/ph-conv/ph-conv.html . Al you ever wanted to know about phase converters.

And 9/11 was staged huh? Holy crap, we have a live one here! Break out your tinfoil hats! The Gub'mt is coming!

[particle bored]

Burley Kuntwipe and Trogsend,

you can write paragraphs of libel about me, I don't mind. you don't know me. you don't know anything about me.

what I know about both of you is that you're both wrong, and you will both come to know the truth at some point in the future, and when you do, you will feel embarrassed at having been so forceful in your convictions that were so danged wrong on the facts.

Kuntwipe, I don't care if you "feel sorry for" my clients. nor do they.

Trogsend, if our defense spending is what keeps us so strong, how did 9/11/2001 occur?

insults don't change the world, you fools.

nor does a blind arrogance.

but go ahead, support an imperialist fascist regime that relies heavily on insults and blind arrogance. it's your loss!

PS: the fact that you both get overwrought with righteous anger at my posts shows your weakness, which is that you don't even know what is real, but are counting on it as a matter of faith. but you probably can't see that, can you?

PPS: Trogsend, you can wail away at the "conspiracy wacko" or "tinfoil hat" nonsense until the keyboard you mash has gone dead. but while you're so busy being so danged sure that I'm just wacko, I'm laughing at you. but not out of positive comedy. out of a sad recognition that your pride carries more weight than your intellect in your brain.

[N8]

the foot soldiers were making less than minimum wage (hours in the street working/income), they were likely to be stabbed 4 times in 2 years, and their life expectancy wasnt very high either...
yet people go into that business thinking about becoming one of the top dogs (the top 1% of the crack corporate pyramid).
quite an interesting read.


Yet a lot of morons support the illegal drug trade while bashing legit business like WalMart that actually help the poor and lower middle classes...

Hypocritical losers....


:rolleyes:

[Transcend]

Holy crap, this new guys a total nutter.

I vote we keep him around for comedy relief.

[BurlyShirley]

Burley Kuntwipe and Trogsend,

you can write paragraphs of libel about me, I don't mind. you don't know me. you don't know anything about me.

what I know about both of you is that you're both wrong, and you will both come to know the truth at some point in the future, and when you do, you will feel embarrassed at having been so forceful in your convictions that were so danged wrong on the facts.

Kuntwipe, I don't care if you "feel sorry for" my clients. nor do they.

Trogsend, if our defense spending is what keeps us so strong, how did 9/11/2001 occur?

insults don't change the world, you fools.

nor does a blind arrogance.

but go ahead, support an imperialist fascist regime that relies heavily on insults and blind arrogance. it's your loss!

PS: the fact that you both get overwrought with righteous anger at my posts shows your weakness, which is that you don't even know what is real, but are counting on it as a matter of faith. but you probably can't see that, can you?

Bwaaaaaahahhahah!
I dont think Ive ever been equated to Transcend before.

Dude, go back to the bong.

[Transcend]

Bwaaaaaahahhahah!
I dont think Ive ever been equated to Transcend before.

Dude, go back to the bong.

He must have some good stuff.:thumb: He is completely off his rocker.

[particle bored]

Holy crap, this new guys a total nutter.

I vote we keep him around for comedy relief.

I see that whenever someone suggests something you fear, you derogate and denigrate.

your false courage is embarrassing. for you, not me.

I'm simply entertained.

and whatever you "vote" about, I don't care. I don't think that you get to vote on whether I "stick around" on Earth.

where do you get your information on political matters, Transcend?

care to share?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Kuntwipe,

"back to the bong"? WTF is that? sorry I don't know your caveman code language. please decipher.

[Transcend]

Trogsend, if our defense spending is what keeps us so strong, how did 9/11/2001 occur?

You need to learn to spell. Resorting to insults just shows how lousy at debating and ignorant you really are.

In case you haven't noticed, you weren't attacked by a nation, you were attacked by fanatics who hate you for being non-muslim.:rolleyes:

Congrats, you now join the prestigious ignore list. Toodles.

[N8]

2) what my electrician friends tell me is that phase converters wired in certain ways can reduce your consumption, NOT your "power readings" which is what you are focused on. again, you try to twist what you imagine as my position, into something you can deride. how silly, how illogical, and how like an avowed ignoramus. and besides, if my electrician friends are wrong, then they're wrong. it doesn't insult me. I don't pretend at the knowledge they possess. not like you do.

Being an electrical engineer specializing in the field of energy conservation, I'd LOVE to know the 'logic' behind this statement...

:p

[particle bored]

He must have some good stuff.:thumb: He is completely off his rocker.

what is your "proof" that my statements are "off the rocker"?

[particle bored]

Being an electrical engineer specializing in the field of energy conservation, I'd LOVE to know the logic behind this statement...

:p

oh great the wizard of putdown has arrived! all hail the Bostonian Bulldog who crows about his rad exploits in Vietnam (the riding area, not the asian natio).

read again, Nate. I said I do not know whether they are correct. and that I am not insulted if they aren't. it's their statement, not mine.

do you feel heroic attacking strawmen, little chickenhawk?

[particle bored]

You need to learn to spell. Resorting to insults just shows how lousy at debating and ignorant you really are.

In case you haven't noticed, you weren't attacked by a nation, you were attacked by fanatics who hate you for being non-muslim.:rolleyes:

Congrats, you now join the prestigious ignore list. Toodles.

wow, so you ignore those that disagree with you and might make you question your views?

that's REALLY mature.

1) nobody attacked ME, Trogsend. NOBODY.

2) the rest of your "fanatics" and "non-muslim" stuff is simply fiction, and I'd love to know where you got that info. care to share?

[N8]

oh great the wizard of putdown has arrived! all hail the Bostonian Bulldog who crows about his rad exploits in Vietnam (the riding area, not the asian natio).

read again, N8. I said I do not know whether they are correct. and that I am not insulted if they aren't. it's their statement, not mine.

do you feel heroic attacking strawmen, little chickenhawk?

Damn.. is this kid stoned or what??!?!?!!!! Boston?

http://petcaretips.net/heneryHawk.jpg

[particle bored]

Bwaaaaaahahhahah!
I dont think Ive ever been equated to Transcend before.

Dude, go back to the bong.

I haven't "equated" you to anything. do you even know what "equated" means?

if you want me to "equate" something, give me the facts relevant to the equation.

[Transcend]

I love it, this guy goes on and on after having been proven wrong on just about every front so far. Awesome. He is truly a force to behold!

:wave:

[particle bored]

Damn.. is this kid stoned or what??!?!?!!!! Boston?

http://petcaretips.net/heneryHawk.jpg

you are the same N8 who used to brag tough FR about riding Vietnam back at MTBR.com, aren't you?

[particle bored]

I love it, this guy goes on and on after having been proven wrong on just about every front so far. Awesome. He is truly a force to behold!

"proven wrong"?

you haven't even offered something for proof, let alone having established something.

I see the swiss cheese that masquerades as your "rationale" is showing its holes.

tell me, Trogsend... how is it that your unsupported allegations are "proof," but mine are "tinfoil hat conspiracy"?

[Transcend]

"proven wrong"?

you haven't even offered something for proof, let alone having established something.

I see the swiss cheese that masquerades as your "rationale" is showing its holes.

Holy crap, even on ignore I have to see what crap comes out of his mouth.

You know, stuff like what an insurgency is, how a 3 phase converter works, THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INSANE.

Stuff like that.:trophy_br

Better watch out though, the government is intercepting these emails. You are the next target of a government hijacking plot! Better watch your back, and your front. Watch out for that koolaid, there may be ricin in it!

[BurlyShirley]

Hahhaha!

Oh **** this dude just keeps getting better.

[Transcend]

Hahhaha!

Oh **** this dude just keeps getting better.

This is crazy, I actually sided with you on something.

[BurlyShirley]

This is crazy, I actually sided with you on something.

This dude is like Changleen on PCP.

[particle bored]

You know, stuff like what an insurgency is, how a 3 phase converter works, THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INSANE.

what is an "insurgency" Trogsend? where have you shown I've talked about "insurgency"? where have you shown I'm "wrong" on that notion?

what I shared about phase converters was what people told me, and I already said it's possible they're wrong. if you think shooting the messenger disproves the message, you miss a few logical steps. if you think the messenger is the author of the message, you completely misunderstand.

as to sanity,

you surely don't have the skills capacity or experience to determine that. and besides, you have to assess your own capacities first.:clue:

[particle bored]

Kuntwipe, why don't you share where you get your info? since Trogsend doesn't have the cojones to share his sources, maybe you can provide enough false masculinity for the two of you!

[Transcend]

what is an "insurgency" Trogsend? where have you shown I've talked about "insurgency"? where have you shown I'm "wrong" on that notion?

what I shared about phase converters was what people told me, and I already said it's possible they're wrong. if you think shooting the messenger disproves the message, you miss a few logical steps. if you think the messenger is the author of the message, you completely misunderstand.

as to sanity,

you surely don't have the skills capacity or experience to determine that. and besides, you have to assess your own capacities first.:clue:

Are you mental?

Quote:
Originally Posted by particle bored
please explain how Iraqi nationals defending their homeland from US military goon squads is "insurgency"

thank you

In case you need a little reminder or some basic education:

in·sur·gen·cy P Pronunciation Key (n-sûrjn-s)
n. pl. in·sur·gen·cies
The quality or circumstance of being rebellious.
An instance of rebellion; an insurgence.

Main Entry: in·sur·gen·cy
Pronunciation: in-'s&r-j&n-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -cies
: the quality or state of being insurgent; specifically : a condition of revolt against a recognized government that does not reach the proportions of an organized revolutionary government and is not recognized as belligerency


They have a legitimate, elected government. They are rebelling.

This is an insurgency, please shut up unless you are actually capable of holding a proper discussion.

Christ, I thought Burley was bad.

[particle bored]

This dude is like Changleen on PCP.

what is a Changleen?

what is PCP?

are you even out of Jr High yet?

[particle bored]

Are you mental?

no, but clearly you have nothing to support your views, and simply choose to attack anything that is contrary to them.

personal attack is no substitute for rationale. pretty surprising you can't muster any patience for a discussion. aren't you some big media honch who is the hero to all who ride DH in the UK? doesn't Steve Jones lick your soiled silk panties? doesn't Mike Rose offer to rimjob you?

oops. sorry. I was imitating you for a moment there.

(1)They have a legitimate, elected government. They are rebelling.

(2)This is an insurgency, please shut up unless you are actually capable of holding a proper discussion.

(3)Christ, I thought Burley was bad.

(1) whom is it that has the legitimate elected government? did you visit Iraq and poll the citizens? what is the source of this assertion?

(2) answer (1) and we can address whether this is even close to correct. that is, if you have any facts to support your BELIEFS.

(3) I did too, but I don't know what Kuntwipe actually knows, only what her bloody gash posts here.

[fluff]

Blimey, I have work to do but this is rather entertaining.

BTW Transcend, if they are only rebelling because they have an elected government what were they doing before they had an elected goverment?

[N8]

you are the same N8 who used to brag tough FR about riding Vietnam back at MTBR.com, aren't you?

That's narlus...


Damn... just how many times can this kid be WRONG and still keep on going??!!!




http://www0.fh-trier.de/~gielj/smilies/laughing1.gif

[Transcend]

no, but clearly you have nothing to support your views, and simply choose to attack anything that is contrary to them.

personal attack is no substitute for rationale. pretty surprising you can't muster any patience for a discussion. aren't you some big media honch who is the hero to all who ride DH in the UK? doesn't Steve Jones lick your soiled silk panties? doesn't Mike Rose offer to rimjob you?

oops. sorry. I was imitating you for a moment there.



(1) whom is it that has the legitimate elected government? did you visit Iraq and poll the citizens? what is the source of this assertion?

(2) answer (1) and we can address whether this is even close to correct. that is, if you have any facts to support your BELIEFS.

(3) I did too, but I don't know what Kuntwipe actually knows, only what her bloody gash posts here.

Ok last post i look at of yours, i promise.

They recently elected a government.

Before that, Sadaam and the Bathist party was a recognized govt.

This covers your post and Fluff's.

[BurlyShirley]

what is a Changleen?

what is PCP?

are you even out of Jr High yet?
What is PCP?

You are NOT a lawyer. There is no ****ing way.

[Transcend]

What is PCP?

You are NOT a lawyer. There is no ****ing way.

My post covers what type of lawyer he is. Keep up now.

This guy is poster of the year.

[fluff]

Ok last post i look at of yours, i promise.

They recently elected a government.

Before that, Sadaam and the Bathist party was a recognized govt.

This covers your post and Fluff's.
What about the time in between? You know, when Saddam was ousted but no elections had taken place? Who were they rebelling against?

[particle bored]

Ok last post i look at of yours, i promise.

They recently elected a government.

Before that, Sadaam and the Bathist party was a recognized govt.

This covers your post and Fluff's.

"they" recently elected "a government"

1) who is "they"? what type of election results monitoring did YOU do? how do you KNOW this?

2) it's Saddam, not Sadaaam. and Ba'ath, not Bath. what happened to your political experience and expertise?

3) again, please tell us where you get your "expert political" news.

[Transcend]

What about the time in between? You know, when Saddam was ousted but no elections had taken place? Who were they rebelling against?

An invader?

They weren't an insurgency then however, they were a opposing force, nothing more. Although the US media will debate that, and claim that they were the "recognized government", I don't think even they buy that however.

[particle bored]

My post covers what type of lawyer he is. Keep up now.

This guy is poster of the year.

your post reflects that you don't know anything about the law or lawyering, so you shouldn't make these claims. but then, you seem to enjoy posting WITH AUTHORITY on subjects about which you know little. hey, don't let factual error get in the way of ego stroking!

as to "poster of the year," I decline acceptance.

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An invader?

They weren't an insurgency then however, they were a opposing force, nothing more. Although the US media will debate that, and claim that they were the "recognized government", I don't think even they buy that however.

how did Saddam Hussein get into power in Iraq?

[N8]

What is PCP?

You are NOT a lawyer. There is no ****ing way.

He not a lawyer but he plays one in web forums.... :rofl:

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He not a lawyer but he plays on in web forums.... :rofl:

wow that was FUNNY! you are some comic stud!

(but you are dead wrong):hot:

[N8]

wow that was FUNNY! you are some comic stud!

(but you are dead wrong):hot:


Quit hitting on me bro... I'm strictly a 'butter side up' kinda guy.

[fluff]

Quit hitting on me bro... I'm strictly a 'butter side up' kinda guy.
Have you seen 'Last Tango in Paris'???

[N8]

Have you seen 'Last Tango in Paris'???


..errrr....

[valve bouncer]

That's narlus...


Damn... just how many times can this kid be WRONG and still keep on going??!!!




http://www0.fh-trier.de/~gielj/smilies/laughing1.gifNarlus is gonna be horrified when he finds out someone mistook him for you.:rofl:

[particle bored]

Quit hitting on me bro... I'm strictly a 'butter side up' kinda guy.

hitting on you?

no, thanks.

nice Freudian slip though!:hot:

[N8]

Narlus is gonna be horrified when he finds out someone mistook him for you.:rofl:


Yeah.. I am taking a lot of pleasure in that.... :rofl: :p

[julian_dh]

from my days around marijuana grow operations there setup is amazing,but there plants are yellowing and dont seem to be producing very manny buds, also add that to the fact there using metal halide lamps instead of high pressure sodium which is good for the vegatative state but wont give you near to the best results during flowing. and that there a little to no strains of pot that are very potent and flower in 60 day those guys seem to be serious cash croppers extreme quantity over quaility

[fluff]

Is it true that prolonged marijuana usage renders you incapable of using good spelling and grammar?

[valve bouncer]

Is it true that prolonged marijuana usage renders you incapable of using good spelling and grammar?
No, its not ture atall.

[Changleen]

Is it true that prolonged marijuana usage renders you incapable of using good spelling and grammar?Nope. It makes you forget to take out the trash though.