Remind me why union workers are not useless

[MMike]

Useless sacks of crap....

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060211/montreal_potholes_060211/20060211?hub=TopStories

[MudGrrl]

fck


they make more than I do



I want to go fill potholes

[bigdrop05]

I do NOT like unions. These union guys i worked with at the airport fueling planes,etc were lazy.
I did sooo much more work & when i didn't want to join thier stupid union & pay the stupid dues they said "YOUR ON YOUR OWN" & then i did even more work on purpose to show them they were fat sacs of lazyness.One guy was there since 1970 & moved as slow as molasses & couln't fuel the airlines cause he weighed 300# & the weight limit on the ladder was 260#.He pretty much needed to go home.But NO the union protects !
I'm just against unions after that experience. Unions do not reward hard work is the bottom line.

** Does JAPAN have unions in thier car manufacturing facilities ?Just curious if they do or not ?

[bigdrop05]

Surveillance caught 10 Montreal city workers goofing around for 81 of the 90 hours they were supposed to be filling potholes.

Staff instructed by a Montreal city official to observe the group said the union employees managed to fill just 10 potholes in the 90 hours they were watched.

The rest of the time, employees hung around in restaurants, doing their banking and driving around -- all on city time.

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So they get deciplinary action.Come on they need to get real workers in there..Makes we want to keep a SUV though with bigger tires than a car..
How do these Fast n Furious vehicles manage with those ultra-low profile tires anyways ?

[MMike]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002825298_boeing24.html

AHAHAHAAHA.....in related news, suck on THAT, IAM!!

[BurlyShirley]

I think that because now we have legislation to protect workers, the unions have pretty much outlived their usefulness. The market dictates the wages (here in the south) just fine.
I recently read that $1500 of the (average) price of a new GM vehicle goes DIRECTLY just to pay for the workers, healthcare! That is crazy, and doesnt even count the rest of the benefits they get. No freaking wonder they cant compete with the foreign auto makers. Unions are killing some industries and hurting the US economy.

[Westy]

** Does JAPAN have unions in thier car manufacturing facilities ?Just curious if they do or not ?

Japan has a history of actually protecting their workers while western companies try to get every penny from them. The Japanese company I work with has never laid person off, ever. When they got fancy machines to wash the factory floors they sent the Janitors to school to become engineers. Not defending the Unions just saying the comparison to a Japanese company doesn't really work.

[Westy]

I think that because now we have legislation to protect workers, the unions have pretty much outlived their usefulness. The market dictates the wages (here in the south) just fine.
I recently read that $1500 of the (average) price of a new GM vehicle goes DIRECTLY just to pay for the workers, healthcare! That is crazy, and doesnt even count the rest of the benefits they get. No freaking wonder they cant compete with the foreign auto makers. Unions are killing some industries and hurting the US economy.

:stupid:

For the most part I think all of us can probably have benefitted from the work that Unions have played. But their time has past, at least in their current configuration. If there is any hope for Unions in the future they need to stop just fighting with companies for more money and benefits and start working with companies reduce the cost of labour, providing their members more job security. Doing things like possibly taking on the healthcare costs themselves, working to reduce healthcare costs by contracting with local hospitals and even having their members sign contracts promising not to sue for malpractice.

[fluff]

Japan has a history of actually protecting their workers while western companies try to get every penny from them. The Japanese company I work with has never laid person off, ever. When they got fancy machines to wash the factory floors they sent the Janitors to school to become engineers. Not defending the Unions just saying the comparison to a Japanese company doesn't really work.
I think what this clearly illustrates is that the average American blue-collar worker is so dumb that they need union protection in order to stay off welfare.

[valve bouncer]

Japan has a history of actually protecting their workers while western companies try to get every penny from them. The Japanese company I work with has never laid person off, ever. When they got fancy machines to wash the factory floors they sent the Janitors to school to become engineers. Not defending the Unions just saying the comparison to a Japanese company doesn't really work.
The other side of that is that there's literally tons of dead wood in a lot of Japanese companies. While they may not outright fire your arse they'll do things like give you an office with a table and a chair and nothing else. You have to sit at that desk day after day doing nothing at all. Of course it's all designed to get you to quit. I'm not making this crap up. A lot of Japanese companies do all sorts of evil sh*t to their workers Westy. Not to say though that you're company isn't good mate, just that a lot aren't.

[Westy]

I think what this clearly illustrates is that the average American blue-collar worker is so dumb that they need union protection in order to stay off welfare.

You are wrong, they are too drunk. And aren't we talking about Cananadianans here? Canadianan Union members are one step down from US Unions. US Union workers are highly motivated and participate in extra curicular activities such as organized crime while their Cnaadian brethren just chainsmoke and drink Lablatts.

[BurlyShirley]

I think what this clearly illustrates is that the average American blue-collar worker is so dumb that they need union protection in order to stay off welfare.

By "dumb" do you mean genetically or in a non-educated sense?

Not that it matters because in much of the US, there arent any Unions, like in my state, and the blue collar workers arent on welfare. I guess you're just resentful of their pretty teeth.

[Westy]

The other side of that is that there's literally tons of dead wood in a lot of Japanese companies. While they may not outright fire your arse they'll do things like give you an office with a table and a chair and nothing else. You have to sit at that desk day after day doing nothing at all. Of course it's all designed to get you to quit. I'm not making this crap up. A lot of Japanese companies do all sorts of evil sh*t to their workers Westy. Not to say though that you're company isn't good mate, just that a lot aren't.

I know it isn't good, I wouldn't work over there. Workers in the plant over there have to live in company dorms during the week and vacation only comes during Golden Week. A bunch of little commie bastards they are.

[BurlyShirley]

You know who could use a union tho, or the govt. to step in and shake **** up? Wal Mart. It pisses me off that they're the nations largest employer, yet something like 60% of their workers are on some form of govt. assistance.

[valve bouncer]

I know it isn't good, I wouldn't work over there. Workers in the plant over there have to live in company dorms during the week and vacation only comes during Golden Week. A bunch of little commie bastards they are.
Actually you'd probably be all right if you worked in Japan. A lot of Japanese companies don't dare treat their foreign workers* as badly as they treat their Japanese ones because they know that the foreign workers by and large won't put up with too much sh*t. the Japanese workers tend to just grin and bear it. Being stoic for no purpose is a virtue in Japan.





*As long as said worker isn't from a 3rd world country- then they get shafted good and proper.

[BurlyShirley]

A lot of Japanese companies don't dare treat their foreign workers* as badly as they treat their Japanese ones because they know that the foreign workers by and large won't put up with too much sh*t.

Plus they have much bigger penises.

[Westy]

*As long as said worker isn't from a 3rd world country- then they get shafted good and proper.

Sorry to hear about that mate. I figured they'd treat you fairly well.

[valve bouncer]

Sorry to hear about that mate. I figured they'd treat you fairly well.
Ouch...bastard:rofl:

[fluff]

By "dumb" do you mean genetically or in a non-educated sense?

Both.

Didn't the Billy-Bob teeth originate in the US? Would you rather be pretty than smart?

[BurlyShirley]

Both.

Didn't the Billy-Bob teeth originate in the US? Would you rather be pretty than smart?

Id rather my woman be.
But anyway, your point still doesnt hold up because, as I said, much of the country is non-unionized. As for Americans being dumb or whatever, its not like it takes smarts to do construction or something. Its a wierd thing tho. My dad didnt graduate high school, but he could build a house completely by himself, build a working vehicle from a pile of parts, weld, do masonry work, electrical work, manages the construction side of a good sized company and at 50, could still knock you out with one punch. Id rather be whatever that is than, "smart"

[fluff]

Id rather my woman be.
But anyway, your point still doesnt hold up because, as I said, much of the country is non-unionized. As for Americans being dumb or whatever, its not like it takes smarts to do construction or something. Its a wierd thing tho. My dad didnt graduate high school, but he could build a house completely by himself, build a working vehicle from a pile of parts, weld, do masonry work, electrical work, manages the construction side of a good sized company and at 50, could still knock you out with one punch. Id rather be whatever that is than, "smart"
So what is the IQ of the average American then?

[BurlyShirley]

So what is the IQ of the average American then?
I have no idea.

I would like to see such a breakdown tho.

[fluff]

I have no idea.

I would like to see such a breakdown tho.

In theory it should be 100..

[Westy]

So what is the IQ of the average American then?

By definition average IQ=100.

[fluff]

By definition average IQ=100.
That's why it was a trick question...

[Westy]

That's why it was a trick question...\

You Brits are just too damn tricky. I'm just glad we nuked you after Pearl Harbor.

[BurlyShirley]

That's why it was a trick question...Apparently Im a touch below average.

[fluff]

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You Brits are just too damn tricky. I'm just glad we nuked you after Pearl Harbor.
It saves on street lighting when everything glows in the dark. Around here every mushroom cloud has a blue lining.

[BurlyShirley]

It saves on street lighting when everything glows in the dark. Around here every mushroom cloud has a blue lining.
I just did this here yahoo image search for "British Teeth"

Ick!

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1-&p=british%20teeth

[Westy]

It saves on street lighting when everything glows in the dark. Around here every mushroom cloud has a blue lining.

I was hoping the radiation would give pasty looking brit chicks some kind of skin tone. Doesn't seem to work that way though.

[fluff]

I was hoping the radiation would give pasty looking brit chicks some kind of skin tone. Doesn't seem to work that way though.
Like Kiera Knightly? Or Michael Douglas's bird? Or Gwyneth Paltrow?

[BurlyShirley]

Like Kiera Knightly? Or Michael Douglas's bird? Or Gwyneth Paltrow?

Even a gravel mine will spit out a few crystals.

[valve bouncer]

I just did this here yahoo image search for "British Teeth"

Ick!

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1-&p=british%20teeth
Dunno Shirley, American teeth often seem un-naturally perfect to me. I find it unnerving, like something out of the Stepford Wives.

[BurlyShirley]

Dunno Shirley, American teeth often seem un-naturally perfect to me. I find it unnerving, like something out of the Stepford Wives.
Yeah, and fake boobs are "too nice" right? Im not saying perfect naturals arent better, but c'mon, some of those brits could eat an apple through a chain link fence.

[Westy]

Like Kiera Knightly? Or Michael Douglas's bird? Or Gwyneth Paltrow?

One of these days I need to go Island hopping to see the family and see if I can check out the brit chicks first hand. So what would work best, turning on a Brit accent, reglar 'mercan accent or maybe a bit of a southern drawl?

[valve bouncer]

Yeah, and fake boobs are "too nice" right? Im not saying perfect naturals arent better, but c'mon, some of those brits could eat an apple through a chain link fence.
Actually mate the Poms are better than the Japanese in the dental department. Here is the only country where I've seen choppers growing at 45 degree angles.

[fluff]

Yeah, and fake boobs are "too nice" right? Im not saying perfect naturals arent better, but c'mon, some of those brits could eat an apple through a chain link fence.
Fair enough Shirl, but I feel no responsibility for the dental hygiene of my countrymen. I can even accept some of them being below average smarts too.

[Westy]

Actually mate the Poms are better than the Japanese in the dental department. Here is the only country where I've seen choppers growing at 45 degree angles.

Having experienced Jap Breath a few times I can only imagine. A cross between an ashtray and a dead eel.

[BurlyShirley]

Actually mate the Poms are better than the Japanese in the dental department. Here is the only country where I've seen choppers growing at 45 degree angles.
Oh man! You are right about that too. When I was living in Hawaii, lots of Japanese people came there to visit and wow! I thought maybe 'the bomb' had caused it or something. Look like on some of them their tongue was in jail.
Also, whats up with Japanese girls and walking all pigeon toed and dying their hair that stupid color of orange?
One good thing about them, they do like to have a good time on vacation.

[fluff]

One of these days I need to go Island hopping to see the family and see if I can check out the brit chicks first hand. So what would work best, turning on a Brit accent, reglar 'mercan accent or maybe a bit of a southern drawl?
Depends - for the smarter Brit go for the regular accent as the Southern drawl will be seen as proof of bigotry and stupidity. For the dumber Brits the regular will be seen as patronising so go for the redneck image, it'll make them feel a degree of kinship.

If you're going to Essex just use the Southern drawl regardless.

[BurlyShirley]

Fair enough Shirl, but I feel no responsibility for the dental hygiene of my countrymen. I can even accept some of them being below average smarts too.
Well dont get all offended. I know how Americans are. Most are pretty big dumbasses.

[fluff]

Well dont get all offended. I know how Americans are. Most are pretty big dumbasses.
I wasn't, I was trying to be gentle with you 'bout that IQ thing.

[valve bouncer]

Having experienced Jap Breath a few times I can only imagine. A cross between an ashtray and a dead eel.
Churns my stomach Westy, fair dinkum some of their cakeholes are rotten. I can't work it out because they're pretty clean generally, fetid BO is fairly rare around here.

[MMike]

uh.....I hate unions?

[valve bouncer]

Also, whats up with Japanese girls and walking all pigeon toed and dying their hair that stupid color of orange?
One good thing about them, they do like to have a good time on vacation.
The pigeon-toed thing is f*cken retarded. A lot women here also speak in this squeaking little girls voice too.98% of Japanese culture tends to revolve around "being cute".

[fluff]

uh.....I hate onions?
Pickled, spring, red or regular?

[fluff]

The pigeon-toed thing is f*cken retarded. A lot women here also speak in this squeaking little girls voice too.98% of Japanese culture tends to revolve around "being cute".
You must struggle.

[BurlyShirley]

The pigeon-toed thing is f*cken retarded. A lot women here also speak in this squeaking little girls voice too.98% of Japanese culture tends to revolve around "being cute".
Its a very different culture, altogether. Even the way they express pain.
I was in a DH race and there was this dude named Tomishiro (I know this because the only english he spoke was "I am Tomishiro. I am from Japan")
Anyway, the dude has this gnarly crash and you could see his hip bone throug a large gash in his side. He just sat there real quite. No whimpering or anything. I kept waiting for him to disappear in a cloud of smoke, but he just left in an ambulance.

[valve bouncer]

Its a very different culture, altogether. Even the way they express pain.
I was in a DH race and there was this dude named Tomishiro (I know this because the only english he spoke was "I am Tomishiro. I am from Japan")
Anyway, the dude has this gnarly crash and you could see his hip bone throug a large gash in his side. He just sat there real quite. No whimpering or anything. I kept waiting for him to disappear in a cloud of smoke, but he just left in an ambulance.
As I said earlier pointless stoicism is highly valued. Women (including my missus both times) aren't given any painkillers during chilbirth. I broke my wrist in 2001 and had to have it pinned. The pain meds they gave me where useless. I was literally begging for something stronger. Their answer was basically "suck it up round eyes". They gave me some suppositories for pain but I might as well have shoved them up my arse for all the good they did. (Yes Fluff I know that joke is old. No I won't stop using it;):redX: )

[fluff]

As I said earlier pointless stoicism is highly valued. Women (including my missus both times) aren't giving any painkillers during chilbirth. I broke my wrist in 2001 and had to have it pinned. the pain meds they gave me where useless. I was literally begging for something stronger. Their answer was basically "suck it up round eyes". They gave me some suppositories for pain but I might as well have shoved them up my arse for all the good they did. (Yes Fluff I know that joke is old. No I won't stop using it;):redX: )
Oddly enough I never get given any decent pain killers when I break anything - collar bone and ribs in recent years and nothing stronger than Ibuprofen. Other people I know get all sorts of goodies. Maybe I look like I abuse painkillers or something but it just drove me to smoke copious amounts of skunk.

[valve bouncer]

Oddly enough I never get given any decent pain killers when I break anything - collar bone and ribs in recent years and nothing stronger than Ibuprofen. Other people I know get all sorts of goodies. Maybe I look like I abuse painkillers or something but it just drove me to smoke copious amounts of skunk.
Right, what's the point of breaking something if they're not gonna give you some good drugs to go with it.

[Westy]

Oddly enough I never get given any decent pain killers when I break anything - collar bone and ribs in recent years and nothing stronger than Ibuprofen. Other people I know get all sorts of goodies. Maybe I look like I abuse painkillers or something but it just drove me to smoke copious amounts of skunk.

I have the same problem. For me it stems from the fact I go see my doctor and say "A bone has been sticking out of my thigh for the past week and it didn't seem to be getting any better so I thought I'd have you check it out".

[BurlyShirley]

I have the same problem. For me it stems from the fact I go see my doctor and say "A bone has been sticking out of my thigh for the past week and it didn't seem to be getting any better so I thought I'd have you check it out".
I normally just get certain medications from "other sources" in such a case. When I got my wisdom teeth out in December, they gave me like 6 lortabs or something. Pffft.

[blt2ride]

I could go on for days about the union. I’m a non-union management member for a union company, so I have firsthand experience with the union. I could write story after mind-boggling story about the union and their leaders.

To be honest, there are some union members who actually have a good work ethic and who care about their job. The problem, however, the union business agents attempt to brainwash the union members into being “union employees,” making employees feel like if they are “company men” they are sell-outs.

I have seen business agents defend employees who have assaulted supervisors, fellow employees etc. The union’s business practices truly defy logic…

A century ago, the union had its place in the American workforce. At that time working conditions were terrible—safety was compromised and employees were not compensated fairly for what they did. Now, we have government agencies who monitor safety and union employees are paid way more than they are worth. For example, I saw one union car washer who made almost $70,000 a year—most car washers make $6.85 an hour-plus tips. This guy is making more money than most college graduates make for the first 5-years of their working careers…

[MudGrrl]

Right, what's the point of breaking something if they're not gonna give you some good drugs to go with it.

I went to the emergency room in September and they gave me Vicodin....

I never used it.

[Westy]

Does anyone see the eye-roni in a bunch of people screwing off at work on an internet forum complaining about lazy union workers?

[valve bouncer]

Does anyone see the eye-roni in a bunch of people screwing off at work on an internet forum complaining about lazy union workers?I don't know about anyone else but my understanding of irony is about as good as Allanis Morrisdancer's.