Can Jesus swim?

[LordOpie]

Is he able to turn off his super powers?

[Rip]

No and no.

[jdcamb]

Since he is way cool. I suppose so.

[noname]

of course he can swim! how do you think he got to texas! don't you know anything about your gardener?

[Dartman]

No, the holes in his hands and feet kinda mess him up in the water. :rolleyes:

Jesus walks into a hotel and puts three nails on the counter and says...

"Hey could you put me up for the night?"

[bluebug32]

there should be a separation of church and forum

[noname]

No, the holes in his hands and feet kinda mess him up in the water. :rolleyes:

Jesus walks into a hotel and puts three nails on the counter and says...

"Hey could you put me up for the night?"
hahaha:rofl:

[DirtyMike]

there should be a separation of church and forum


I think i must agree with this one. The original question can bring forth One heck of a PHilisphical discussion. But too many will make cracks in which others will be highly offended. In an answer though, yes Jesus can swim. He can also walk on water. Things that Jesus did in his life were done to show teh Power of God the father. Just be carefull with discussions and topics such as this as to how some people feel about said topics, and what tehre belifes are. remember this is a biking forum, not a Religous forum.

[chicodude]

I think i must agree with this one. The original question can bring forth One heck of a PHilisphical discussion. But too many will make cracks in which others will be highly offended. In an answer though, yes Jesus can swim. He can also walk on water. Things that Jesus did in his life were done to show teh Power of God the father. Just be carefull with discussions and topics such as this as to how some people feel about said topics, and what tehre belifes are. remember this is a biking forum, not a Religous forum.


Oh dear lord....




You are a retard.

[DirtyMike]

Oh dear lord....




You are a retard.


Care to Further your assesment??

[chicodude]

Care to Further your assesment??


You took something from the lord O' pie semi-seriously.


Bad choice

[caputo1989]

Stop talking about me... and yes I can swim.

[DirtyMike]

You took something from the lord O' pie semi-seriously.


Bad choice

A question about Jesus, no matter who it comes from, is never something to Not take seriously. But what i was taking more serious was the original line a quoted about there being a seperation of Church and forum. I am a beliver, if you want to hear it from me and talk about it, tell me. i am not one to try and Jam it down someone throat and force it on them. If there not ready to hear the word of God the all your doing is pushing them further away. See, it may have been a "Smart ass question" or something like that. But what i can do is point out an answer to the question. Just makes people think is all. Sometimes someone asks a question like that, and even if it was emant for a laugh people see it and wonder, and sometimes need an answer. So if i am retarded for taking my lord and Savior seriously<Jesus, not Lord opie>then i guess i will be stuck with that title. As a Christian i had to respond to this seeing the responces that were already heading in on this, such as

No and no.


Which is completly wrong. And this one...


No, the holes in his hands and feet kinda mess him up in the water. :rolleyes:

Jesus walks into a hotel and puts three nails on the counter and says...

"Hey could you put me up for the night?"



Jokes Degrading Jesus like that are insulting, not just to people, but to Jesus also. Now i will be the first person to step up and say i am far from a Role model for others to follow. God knows i have my own issues. But there is always room for improvement. And its by the Grace of God i become a better and better person day by day.

[chicodude]

Jokes Degrading Jesus like that are insulting, not just to people, but to Jesus also.


I'm sure jesus could take a joke, which you obviously can't.


Did you know him personally? Do you know that he would be upset by a joke at his expense? I think not, so stop talking on his behalf



And off to the political forum in 3....2.....1.....

[The Kadvang]

aaaannnnd my people killed that bitch jesus

what now gentiles?

[chicodude]

aaaannnnd my people killed that bitch jesus

what now gentiles?


Oh, nice touch.

[DirtyMike]

I'm sure jesus could take a joke, which you obviously can't.


Did you know him personally? Do you know that he would be upset by a joke at his expense? I think not, so stop talking on his behalf



And off to the political forum in 3....2.....1.....


Hmmmm, How to answer.......Ever try a Bible study?
Might not be a bad idea, even if your a non beliver, that statement will answer itsself. I can take Many jokes. But i find Nothing funny about the man who was crucified to pay for All of mankinds sins, so that. And yes, as a christian i can say that i know the lord Jesus Christ. Oh and Just some Fyi, the spikes were driven through his wrists, nothis hands. And it wasnt being Crucified that killed him, it was the spear of the roman soldier thrown into his side.......

[chicodude]

Hmmmm, How to answer.......Ever try a Bible study?
Might not be a bad idea, even if your a non beliver, that statement will answer itsself. I can take Many jokes. But i find Nothing funny about the man who was crucified to pay for All of mankinds sins, so that. And yes, as a christian i can say that i know the lord Jesus Christ. Oh and Just some Fyi, the spikes were driven through his wrists, nothis hands. And it wasnt being Crucified that killed him, it was the spear of the roman soldier thrown into his side.......


Please my good man, the bible is a joke.


I can't believe you believe any of that stuff. Not a very convincing story if you ask me.

[jimmydean]

Lord knows I'm a jackass. But even I know this goes in the Political Debate froum.

[Kopiklokoli]

The bible is the best selling novel ever; everyone loves a good story. DirtyMike you sound amazingly similar to EVERYONE else I have ever had a religious debate/discussion with, god knows its remarkable how similar you people are. You could also consider taking a more existentialistic view of life, you would probably avoid situations like this one.

[maxyedor]

You guys are pretty upity, how do you know he was talking about the "Son of God"? he might have meant a hispanic guy named Jesus, pronounce HAY-soos. And no I have no idea wheather either can swim.

[valve bouncer]

aaaannnnd my people killed that bitch jesus

what now gentiles?
Totally outrageous, insulting and over the top. Good work kid.:rofl: :thumb:
DM- the best place for arguements like this are over in the PD forum mate. In fact those bastards over there will argue about religion until their fingers are bleeding.;)

[3D.]

VB- I just had to get in on this one, don’t worry my fingers won’t bleed, I’m fast when it comes to this crap.
So this is a good one, please bare with me! First of all lets cut to the heart of the matter. The story of Jesus has really been around much longer than average person thinks, especially all of you Christian extremists. Yes, the fable itself ,along with most of what has been reprinted in the Bible, are really just similar stories that date way back to the era of the Sumerians and their “Good Book”, that their population, so faithfully worshiped as their King and Queen did as they pleased.
Who are the Sumerians?; you might ask. Well, about 3000BC they were one of the earlier organized civilizations that lived in the fertile valleys lying between the Tigris and Euphrates valley, or Mesopotamia (aka Baghdad, Iraq). Their monarch constantly had them at war with their neighbors, perpetually fighting over a valuable resource; “water“. (sound familiar?) Besides always fighting water wars, they had very strong religious beliefs, (wouldn’t you if you were always murdering your neighbors for their water) beliefs that trickled there way into the later Hebrew religious systems, and guess what… all the way to 2006 baby!
DirtyMike, I think your intentions are all good, but try not to get to rapped up in these fairytales that the Bible and its missionaries are force feeding the population. This kind of “In the name of God” crap has been around for a lot longer than you realize and it really tends to distort the peoples’ rational way of thinking, and for good reason. It’s mind control… people have to understand that we’re all one group living on this planet, we should be worshiping and following the unwritten laws of the Universe, not some paper book that has been rewritten and manipulated so my times over it makes one of George Bush’s speeches look genuine. Who you choose to get on your knees and prey to really doesn’t mean much and certainly doesn‘t warrant murder, but look at the global blood shed the Christian religion, as well as many others, has caused throughout the history of man kind, and is still causing to this day. I’m sure you’ve heard of crusades like “The Spanish Inquisition”. This type of slaughtering, and many more, were accomplished by Christians, and were all done “In the name of God”. Just look at what our Christian government is currently up to!
If Jesus was a real man (which there is currently a lot of evidence that says he wasn’t), I think he was probably a very remarkable person. With all the truth he supposedly taught; do you truly think he would be proud of the state of affairs that have been brought forth in his name. Hell No! Legend has it that he was a free thinker, a revolutionary that didn’t even believe in public preying. It’s also said that he didn’t believe in institutionalized religion. Now you take a look at all these oversized churches, the huge bank rolls involved, the immense powers of persuasion that are there, and ask yourself; am I really a “believer”?. I think the good in you will eventually prevail with that answer. And furthermore, knowing what has been said about Jesus, do you really think he would approve of people exploiting the cross the way they do. This symbol is not something that he worshiped, this is where he was supposedly brutally murdered. He wasn’t “crucified to pay for all mankinds sins”, that’s not the way the universe works. That’s just what those freaks at bible study want you to believe so people can do bad things and pretend like they’re getting away with it. Bull sh!!t, if God is watching he knows who you are and what kind of a person you are. What you put out, comes back, and don’t worry he’s not going to throw you in purgatory because you didn’t show up for some dumb ass church mass or bible study… but back to the cross issue, Jesus didn’t give himself to mankind on that thing, that’s were his life was stripped from him! And showing it off, as people do, is kind of like proudly showing off a picture of where your loved one was brutally mutilated. I think it’s almost sick. If you are going to honor Jesus, than do it in a positive way, don’t do it with his murder’s crime scene, and certainly don’t do it with some book that he neither wrote or believed in!
So, DirtyMike, just be a good person, follow your heart, and most importantly; always think for yourself and you’ll surely realize that you don’t need a bible study to find your path.

The last time mankind let religion dictate all, we ended up calling it the Dark Ages!

[Changleen]

aaaannnnd my people killed that bitch jesus

what now gentiles?Nice job, jews. You can stop killing people now though, we get the idea.

[Changleen]

Totally outrageous, insulting and over the top. Good work kid.:rofl: :thumb:
DM- the best place for arguements like this are over in the PD forum mate. In fact those bastards over there will argue about religion until their fingers are bleeding.;)You're one of us, you cunt. :)

[Changleen]

VB- I just had to get in on this one, don’t worry my fingers won’t bleed, I’m fast when it comes to this crap.
So this is a good one, please bare with me! First of all lets cut to the heart of the matter. The story of Jesus has really been around much longer than average person thinks, especially all of you Christian extremists. Yes, the fable itself ,along with most of what has been reprinted in the Bible, are really just similar stories that date way back to the era of the Sumerians and their “Good Book”, that their population, so faithfully worshiped as their King and Queen did as they pleased.
Who are the Sumerians?; you might ask. Well, about 3000BC they were one of the earlier organized civilizations that lived in the fertile valleys lying between the Tigris and Euphrates valley, or Mesopotamia (aka Baghdad, Iraq). Their monarch constantly had them at war with their neighbors, perpetually fighting over a valuable resource; “water“. (sound familiar?) Besides always fighting water wars, they had very strong religious beliefs, (wouldn’t you if you were always murdering your neighbors for their water) beliefs that trickled there way into the later Hebrew religious systems, and guess what… all the way to 2006 baby!
DirtyMike, I think your intentions are all good, but try not to get to rapped up in these fairytales that the Bible and its missionaries are force feeding the population. This kind of “In the name of God” crap has been around for a lot longer than you realize and it really tends to distort the peoples’ rational way of thinking, and for good reason. It’s mind control… people have to understand that we’re all one group living on this planet, we should be worshiping and following the unwritten laws of the Universe, not some paper book that has been rewritten and manipulated so my times over it makes one of George Bush’s speeches look genuine. Who you choose to get on your knees and prey to really doesn’t mean much and certainly doesn‘t warrant murder, but look at the global blood shed the Christian religion, as well as many others, has caused throughout the history of man kind, and is still causing to this day. I’m sure you’ve heard of crusades like “The Spanish Inquisition”. This type of slaughtering, and many more, were accomplished by Christians, and were all done “In the name of God”. Just look at what our Christian government is currently up to!
If Jesus was a real man (which there is currently a lot of evidence that says he wasn’t), I think he was probably a very remarkable person. With all the truth he supposedly taught; do you truly think he would be proud of the state of affairs that have been brought forth in his name. Hell No! Legend has it that he was a free thinker, a revolutionary that didn’t even believe in public preying. It’s also said that he didn’t believe in institutionalized religion. Now you take a look at all these oversized churches, the huge bank rolls involved, the immense powers of persuasion that are there, and ask yourself; am I really a “believer”?. I think the good in you will eventually prevail with that answer. And furthermore, knowing what has been said about Jesus, do you really think he would approve of people exploiting the cross the way they do. This symbol is not something that he worshiped, this is where he was supposedly brutally murdered. He wasn’t “crucified to pay for all mankinds sins”, that’s not the way the universe works. That’s just what those freaks at bible study want you to believe so people can do bad things and pretend like they’re getting away with it. Bull sh!!t, if God is watching he knows who you are and what kind of a person you are. What you put out, comes back, and don’t worry he’s not going to throw you in purgatory because you didn’t show up for some dumb ass church mass or bible study… but back to the cross issue, Jesus didn’t give himself to mankind on that thing, that’s were his life was stripped from him! And showing it off, as people do, is kind of like proudly showing off a picture of where your loved one was brutally mutilated. I think it’s almost sick. If you are going to honor Jesus, than do it in a positive way, don’t do it with his murder’s crime scene, and certainly don’t do it with some book that he neither wrote or believed in!
So, DirtyMike, just be a good person, follow your heart, and most importantly; always think for yourself and you’ll surely realize that you don’t need a bible study to find your path.

The last time mankind let religion dictate all, we ended up calling it the Dark Ages!
I like you. :love:

[binary visions]

3D, that mass of text is painful to look at, let alone read. Please investigate the use of carraige returns.

As for everyone else, this discussion has been had approximately 8,463 times within the past six months. Venture into the PD forum sometime, nobody has said anything new here :p

[valve bouncer]

You're one of us, you cunt. :)
I never get involved in the religion threads as a rule. You got the last part right though.;)

[robdamanii]

No, the holes in his hands and feet kinda mess him up in the water. :rolleyes:

Jesus walks into a hotel and puts three nails on the counter and says...

"Hey could you put me up for the night?"

Nice.

How does jesus bite his nails?



With his teeth.

[MMike]

Jesus was a lousy carpenter.....

[Mackie]

Is he able to turn off his super powers?

So it's a few days after Jesus has died, and the disciples are sitting in a boat the Sea of Galilee, feeling depressed.
Suddenly, Jesus appears. Jesus says "Hi guys - it’s me, Jesus".
Some of the disciples believe him, but Thomas isn’t so sure.
So Thomas says "If you are really who you say you are - walk on water". Jesus calmly steps out of the boat onto the surface of the sea....and sinks like a stone.
Peter pulls him out of the water & asks "What's wrong, my Lord!?!".
Jesus says...... "You know, this trick was a hell of a lot easier before I had these damn holes in my feet!”.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Old Man G Funk]

Hmmmm, How to answer.......Ever try a Bible study?
Might not be a bad idea, even if your a non beliver, that statement will answer itsself. I can take Many jokes. But i find Nothing funny about the man who was crucified to pay for All of mankinds sins, so that. And yes, as a christian i can say that i know the lord Jesus Christ. Oh and Just some Fyi, the spikes were driven through his wrists, nothis hands. And it wasnt being Crucified that killed him, it was the spear of the roman soldier thrown into his side.......
You might try reading the Bible as well.

We don't know where the nails were driven, and the Bible doesn't even say he was nailed to the cross. He might not have been.

Only one account (IIRC) has the soldier piercing Jesus's side with a spear (Gospel of John) and it was NOT thrown. No account says that Jesus died from the spear (including John.) In each account, Jesus has some final words, then simply dies.

[Old Man G Funk]

(snipped for brevity and sanity)
I like what you said, just please take Binary's advice and work on breaking up the text a little bit.

One thing I might disagree with is that Jesus was all that great, but that's for another time.

I have recently read about how the Jews stole many of their ideas for the OT from the Sumerians. Abraham supposedly meets god in Ur, which was in the Lower Mesopotamia area. That seems a clear indication that there could easily have been some co-option there. It was interesting to have you bring up the subject. Thank you.

[Andyman_1970]

Jesus was a lousy carpenter.....

You're right............

[Andyman_1970]

Oh and I think there needs to be a forum rule about Jesus threads getting to 3 pages without my involvement..........wow how did that happen :)

[N8]

who is Jesus?

[fluff]

Oh and I think there needs to be a forum rule about Jesus threads getting to 3 pages without my involvement..........wow how did that happen :)
I'm certainly at a loss to understand it.

Anyway, does anyone think this is fair:

Three and a half years after filing for Chapter 11, Polaroid is sold to Petters Group Worldwide for $426 million. Chairman Jacques Nasser and CEO J. Michael Pocock walk away with $12.8 million and $8.5 million, respectively. More than 4,000 retirees, meanwhile, receive one-time checks for $47 but lose their medical and life insurance benefits.

[Andyman_1970]

Who you choose to get on your knees and prey to really doesn’t mean much and certainly doesn‘t warrant murder, but look at the global blood shed the Christian religion,…………and is still causing to this day. I’m sure you’ve heard of crusades like “The Spanish Inquisition”. This type of slaughtering, and many more, were accomplished by Christians, and were all done “In the name of God”. Just look at what our Christian government is currently up to!

An author I really like to read (Donald Miller) when at Reed college in Portland OR, set up a confessional in the middle of the colleges yearly drug and alcohol festival they do………..instead of taking people confessions, he confessed the sins of Christianity, many that you list, and asked people to forgive him for them…………..I thought that was pretty cool. I share the same thinking as Mr. Miller, Christianity in the Name of God has commited a lot of sins we need to ask our fellow humans to forgive us.



he was a free thinker, a revolutionary that didn’t even believe in public preying. It’s also said that he didn’t believe in institutionalized religion. Now you take a look at all these oversized churches, the huge bank rolls involved, the immense powers of persuasion that are there, and ask yourself; am I really a “believer”?

An excellent question, and one that has been driving myself and my family to move away from large institutional Christianity and more towards the Hebraic understanding of what it means to follow a rabbi.


And furthermore, knowing what has been said about Jesus, do you really think he would approve of people exploiting the cross the way they do. This symbol is not something that he worshiped……….

I would agree with you.


He wasn’t “crucified to pay for all mankinds sins”, that’s not the way the universe works.

Actually death bringing life is how our world works, something has to die in order for me to eat and stay alive, an animal dies in the woods and it’s body decomposes and provide nutrition and fertilizer for other plants and animals so they can live. That’s a whole ball of wax we don’t need to, nor do I want to “get in the cage” but I thought I’d comment on that one..


That’s just what those freaks at bible study want you to believe so people can do bad things and pretend like they’re getting away with it.

I would agree, Fred Phelps anyone.


some book that he ……….. or believed in!

Well if we are going to assume He was real, and was a Jewish rabbi (assumptions some on here disagree with, but for arguments sake) He had the whole OT memorized (and not because he “wrote it”, all rabbi’s had the OT memorized) now the NT is a whole different ball of wax that I won’t address here.


The last time mankind let religion dictate all, we ended up calling it the Dark Ages!

Has DirtyMike advocated for the creation of a theocracy? I know I wouldn’t support such a thing.

[Old Man G Funk]

Oh and I think there needs to be a forum rule about Jesus threads getting to 3 pages without my involvement..........wow how did that happen :)
This thread got moved from another location. Don't worry, you weren't negligent.

[Old Man G Funk]

I'm certainly at a loss to understand it.

Anyway, does anyone think this is fair:

Three and a half years after filing for Chapter 11, Polaroid is sold to Petters Group Worldwide for $426 million. Chairman Jacques Nasser and CEO J. Michael Pocock walk away with $12.8 million and $8.5 million, respectively. More than 4,000 retirees, meanwhile, receive one-time checks for $47 but lose their medical and life insurance benefits.
No, I don't think that is fair in the least. It's another example of the golden parachutes that we see all too often in the business world.

[Old Man G Funk]

Actually death bringing life is how our world works, something has to die in order for me to eat and stay alive, an animal dies in the woods and it’s body decomposes and provide nutrition and fertilizer for other plants and animals so they can live. That’s a whole ball of wax we don’t need to, nor do I want to “get in the cage” but I thought I’d comment on that one..
One small point, but I'm not sure that something has to die in order for another organism to live. Mitochondria in prokaryote cells (including ours) is one example. Lampreys on sharks is another example.

[fluff]

No, I don't think that is fair in the least. It's another example of the golden parachutes that we see all too often in the business world.
I just feel that it's a much more important topic to talk about. After all we need another rabbinic torture thread like Jesus needed another hold in the hand.

[Old Man G Funk]

I just feel that it's a much more important topic to talk about. After all we need another rabbinic torture thread like Jesus needed another hold in the hand.
Or wrist? If he even got nailed to the cross at all, and wasn't just tied to it? If he even existed?

Yeah, that would be fine with me. I just like to hear myself talk though, so I'll comment on either one.

[chicodude]

So where is spanky now?

[dan-o]

we need another rabbinic torture thread like Jesus needed another hold in the hand.

Cocksucker speaks the truth.

[dan-o]

I just like to hear myself talk though, so I'll comment on either one.

Please stop. Please.

[Old Man G Funk]

Please stop. Please.
Any particular reason why?

[Andyman_1970]

After all we need another rabbinic torture thread like Jesus needed another hole in the hand.

LOL........agreed, I think OMGF and I have called a truce.........;)

[Andyman_1970]

Don't worry, you weren't negligent.

Whew...........good I thought my skillz were slipping........LOL

[fluff]

Cocksucker speaks the truth.
That's a dirty slander!

[Andyman_1970]

Lampreys on sharks is another example.

How do they get their nutrition? Is it from the scraps of what the shark ate, or something else...............aquatic biology is not my area of expertise.

[Andyman_1970]

BTW fluff, good diversion with the golden parachute question........

[fluff]

BTW fluff, good diversion with the golden parachute question........

Thanks - How's this one:

In March, Russell Stover unveils its new Easter candy: 6-inch chocolate crucifixes. The Roman Catholic diocese in Bridgeport, Conn., denounces the confection, saying that an edible version of the cross on which Jesus Christ died is not an appropriate Easter-basket mate for marshmallow chicks and chocolate bunnies.

[Old Man G Funk]

How do they get their nutrition? Is it from the scraps of what the shark ate, or something else...............aquatic biology is not my area of expertise.
Nor is it mine. I believe they feed off the blood of the shark, but they generally do not kill the shark. Maybe someone else here knows better than I do.

There are other examples as well. Fleas generally don't kill their hosts, nor do ticks.

[Old Man G Funk]

Thanks - How's this one:

In March, Russell Stover unveils its new Easter candy: 6-inch chocolate crucifixes. The Roman Catholic diocese in Bridgeport, Conn., denounces the confection, saying that an edible version of the cross on which Jesus Christ died is not an appropriate Easter-basket mate for marshmallow chicks and chocolate bunnies.
I think a riot is in order!

[Andyman_1970]

Thanks - How's this one:

In March, Russell Stover unveils its new Easter candy: 6-inch chocolate crucifixes. The Roman Catholic diocese in Bridgeport, Conn., denounces the confection, saying that an edible version of the cross on which Jesus Christ died is not an appropriate Easter-basket mate for marshmallow chicks and chocolate bunnies.

In addition to our riots (the curcifix is a sacred symobl of my faith and shall not be mocked.......hint hint)..........we'll destroy all Russell Stover's stores and promote rioting in any country that allows such stored to operate.........and the country that the chocolate came from...........:rolleyes:

[kidwoo]

In addition to our riots (the curcifix is a sacred symobl of my faith and shall not be mocked.......hint hint)..........we'll destroy all Russell Stover's stores and promote rioting in any country that allows such stored to operate.........and the country that the chocolate came from...........:rolleyes:

Haha.........awesome.


I pray on the temple of 4130 chromoly. All those signs in marin with the line through the bikes really make me want to kill infidels. Maybe we can join forces.

[fluff]

Haha.........awesome.


I pray on the temple of 4130 chromoly. All those signs in marin with the line through the bikes really make me want to kill infidels. Maybe we can join forces.
Pah, you infidels know nothing. T45 is the true steel. May you rot in the underheated forges of hell.

[BurlyShirley]

One small point, but I'm not sure that something has to die in order for another organism to live. Mitochondria in prokaryote cells (including ours) is one example. Lampreys on sharks is another example.

I could be wrong, but arent you thinking of a "remora" and not a lamprey? They feed off the sharks scraps.

[BurlyShirley]

Ah, I googled it. A lamprey is indeed a different species that bores a hole into fish. Never seen one on a shark tho. Sorry. A remora is what you normally see on those documentaries.

[binary visions]

There are other examples as well. Fleas generally don't kill their hosts, nor do ticks.
...yet they still require hosts.

If that host requires the death of another animal in order to live, then indirectly, these parasites need it as well.

[Old Man G Funk]

Ah, I googled it. A lamprey is indeed a different species that bores a hole into fish. Never seen one on a shark tho. Sorry. A remora is what you normally see on those documentaries.
Yes, you are correct. I goofed.

Lampreys bore holes into fish and feed off the blood.

Remoras attach to larger fish and feed off the scraps or the crustacean parasites.

So, I guess I have to remove that as one of the examples.

Good catch Burly.

[Old Man G Funk]

...yet they still require hosts.

If that host requires the death of another animal in order to live, then indirectly, these parasites need it as well.
I thought about that after I posted. In a round-about way one could argue that they do indeed depend on death. It's sort of a semantic argument as to which side of the coin one chooses I think.

I also thought about plants that use photosynthesis. Do they require nutrients from dead animals and other plants that are in the soil? Do all plants even require that, or can they survive on sunlight and photosynthesis alone?

I also thought about whether the analogy really holds that well. Without opening the steel cage, comparing the death of Jesus to the death of the cow in the hamburger I'm about to eat didn't sit well with me. The latter is for survival, but I'm pretty confident that many people didn't need and don't need the former for their personal survival. I think Andyman is more talking about a spiritual nourishment, which sort of strains the bounds of the analogy IMO.

[kidwoo]

Pah, you infidels know nothing. T45 is the true steel. May you rot in the underheated forges of hell.

Psshh

False idols................

[maxyedor]

Psshh

False idols................

Carbon and Ti are the only true gods:redhot:

The lord(carbon and ti) will strike down upon thee with great vengance and furious anger, and you will know my name is the lord, when your bike and or car is realy fast and light.



I'm going to hell aren't I?

[Old Man G Funk]

Carbon and Ti are the only true gods:redhot:

The lord(carbon and ti) will strike down upon thee with great vengance and furious anger, and you will know my name is the lord, when your bike and or car is realy fast and light.



I'm going to hell aren't I?
Carbon AND Ti? True gods? Ha. Polytheism died a long time ago in this country. Pick one god (steel) and get with the program.

[kidwoo]

So is carbon steel like a roman bastardization of the greek gawds?

Religion is hard.

[Andyman_1970]

I think Andyman is more talking about a spiritual nourishment, which sort of strains the bounds of the analogy IMO.

Since the tradition that Jesus comes from did not even have a word for spiritual (the thinking was to label on thing spiritual meant something else was not, for an Eastern thinking Jew everything was spiritual….anyway). So with that little nugget in mind, I’m more along the lines of being fully alive (olam haba and shalom in the Hebrew) than just spiritual nourishment in the “traditional” Christian Bible study sense.

[Andyman_1970]

I must say I'm please my "life comes from death" idea is producing some positive discussion...........very cool. (and very cool I'm not knee deep in the middle of a finger bleeding death match with OMGF.........LOL).

[Old Man G Funk]

So is carbon steel like a roman bastardization of the greek gawds?

Religion is hard.
Carbon steel? I dogmatically reject the notion of such things.

[Old Man G Funk]

Since the tradition that Jesus comes from did not even have a word for spiritual (the thinking was to label on thing spiritual meant something else was not, for an Eastern thinking Jew everything was spiritual….anyway). So with that little nugget in mind, I’m more along the lines of being fully alive (olam haba and shalom in the Hebrew) than just spiritual nourishment in the “traditional” Christian Bible study sense.
Question: One is not fully alive without a spiritual component?

[Old Man G Funk]

I must say I'm please my "life comes from death" idea is producing some positive discussion...........very cool. (and very cool I'm not knee deep in the middle of a finger bleeding death match with OMGF.........LOL).
Finger bleeding? Only when my stigmata acts up.

[Andyman_1970]

Question: One is not fully alive without a spiritual component?

PM me and we can discuss, I don't want to subject my Monkey brothers and sisters to another potential death match.....LOL

[Changleen]

Pah, you infidels know nothing. T45 is the true steel. May you rot in the underheated forges of hell.:stupid:

[Changleen]

T45 with EN13 headtubes.

[Ciaran]

Jokes Degrading Jesus like that are insulting, not just to people, but to Jesus also. Now i will be the first person to step up and say i am far from a Role model for others to follow. God knows i have my own issues. But there is always room for improvement. And its by the Grace of God i become a better and better person day by day.
I agree. Sadly getting people around here to respect the religious views and beliefs of others is harder than getting N8 to think. Around here it seems to be open season on religion. :nonono:

The last time mankind let religion dictate all, we ended up calling it the Dark Ages!
You OBVIOUSLY know nothing of the "dark ages".

[fluff]

So is carbon steel like a roman bastardization of the greek gawds?

Religion is hard.


In true Rabbinic tradition (for which of course you must go back to the ancient Hebrew before it was translated in Aramaic) carbon steel is an abomination for which stoning was condoned.

In the book of Joshua the Welder it clearly states (chapter 3:16) 'For thou shalt forsake all other metals, yea especially that steel that hath been abominated with the heathen carbon. And the Lord shall cast out from amongst his children those that stray from the path of true righteous and they will be cast out and they will wander in outer darkness. And the Lord will set a mark upon them the number of which will be four thousand, one hundred, one score and ten and those of the righteous that see them shalt know them for what they are and shall cast stones upon their puny frames."

This was further elaborated by John the Biopaced who endeavoured to uncover and interpret more of Joshua's writings and finally in the Christan era (when it was still a Judaic sect) Simon the Brazier framed the entire body of work in his teachings about the geometry of righteousness.

So, it's not really that hard so long as you're prepared to get off your lazy arse and do some research.

Over to you Andy and OMFG, I'm sure you can argue more about this one.

[LordOpie]

wow, I was joking, went to bed, then work only to find this in the PD at four pages.

I wasn't thinking religiously, more along the lines of superhero powers. Like what happens when Superman shoots his super load? Does he blow a hole through Lois vagina?

[BurlyShirley]

jesus can do whatever he wants
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e42/BurlyShirley/buffjesus1zq.jpg

[LordOpie]

jesus = hulk ?

"You wouldn't like me when I'm self-righteous!"

[Old Man G Funk]

In true Rabbinic tradition (for which of course you must go back to the ancient Hebrew before it was translated in Aramaic) carbon steel is an abomination for which stoning was condoned.

In the book of Joshua the Welder it clearly states (chapter 3:16) 'For thou shalt forsake all other metals, yea especially that steel that hath been abominated with the heathen carbon. And the Lord shall cast out from amongst his children those that stray from the path of true righteous and they will be cast out and they will wander in outer darkness. And the Lord will set a mark upon them the number of which will be four thousand, one hundred, one score and ten and those of the righteous that see them shalt know them for what they are and shall cast stones upon their puny frames."

This was further elaborated by John the Biopaced who endeavoured to uncover and interpret more of Joshua's writings and finally in the Christan era (when it was still a Judaic sect) Simon the Brazier framed the entire body of work in his teachings about the geometry of righteousness.

So, it's not really that hard so long as you're prepared to get off your lazy arse and do some research.

Over to you Andy and OMFG, I'm sure you can argue more about this one.
I can't argue with that.

[fluff]

wow, I was joking, went to bed, then work only to find this in the PD at four pages.

I wasn't thinking religiously, more along the lines of superhero powers. Like what happens when Superman shoots his super load? Does he blow a hole through Lois vagina?

To be boring Jesus clearly could turn off his superpowers - he was submersed by John the Baptist after all.

[MMike]

To be boring Jesus clearly could turn off his superpowers - he was submersed by John the Baptist after all.

suppose he ever forgot to turn it off when he was diving into a pool? That would suck...

[kidwoo]

suppose he ever forgot to turn it off when he was diving into a pool? That would suck...

Or when taking a shower and wondering why those blood stains are just so pesky..........

[MMike]

Or when taking a shower and wondering why those blood stains are just so pesky..........


Out out damned spot!!