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narlus
02-21-2006, 05:39 AM
caught a bit of this on last night's news...there are major shipping operations in NYC, Newark, Philly, Miami, New Orleans and i think Baltimore which are being bought by a company owned and operated by a foreign government. this gov't happens to be the United Arab Emirates. the bush admin is OK w/ this.
does this seem like idiocy to anyone else, cedeing control of MAJOR seaports to another sovereign nation? i don't care if it's arab or not.
fluff
02-21-2006, 07:01 AM
caught a bit of this on last night's news...there are major shipping operations in NYC, Newark, Philly, Miami, New Orleans and i think Baltimore which are being bought by a company owned and operated by a foreign government. this gov't happens to be the United Arab Emirates. the bush admin is OK w/ this.
does this seem like idiocy to anyone else, cedeing control of MAJOR seaports to another sovereign nation? i don't care if it's arab or not.
Free market economics?
narlus
02-21-2006, 07:08 AM
yes, but at the expense of exposure to severe economic downsides if UAE doesn't decide to play nice? if it was a private company that's one thing, but a foreign gov't doesn't wash w/ me.
fluff
02-21-2006, 07:09 AM
yes, but at the expense of exposure to severe economic downsides if UAE doesn't decide to play nice? if it was a private company that's one thing, but a foreign gov't doesn't wash w/ me.
There must be a contract surely? And it's not as if the US govt needs to be afraid of the UAE.
valve bouncer
02-21-2006, 07:18 AM
Maybe they've come to teach you blokes the good life UAE style. Bring in hundreds of thousands of sub-continentals to do all the donkey work for peanuts while you go 4 wheel driving in the dunes.
What the heck is wrong with the US..? Why does everything have to be subcontracted out?
What the heck is wrong with the US..? Why does everything have to be subcontracted out?
So do you or don't you like free-market economics?
Would the Bush admin be okay with this if it were the French government? What about the Iranian government?
Changleen
02-21-2006, 01:57 PM
Well, half your non-oil power generaton is already done by the French.
narlus
02-21-2006, 02:38 PM
So do you or don't you like free-market economics?
Would the Bush admin be okay with this if it were the French government? What about the Iranian government?
i typically do like free-market economics, but having a gov't in the picture clouds things considerably.
What the heck is wrong with the US..?
Edit: nevermind. N8 answers no questions here.
Changleen
02-21-2006, 05:37 PM
I see now that Bush has come out firmly in support of the ports being sold to the UAE.
So much so that he's actually threatened to veto anything passed by congress that would prevent it.
Slugman
02-21-2006, 05:50 PM
I really don't see the issue here - hell half our banks and major portions of our cities are owned by outside interest.
What the UAI is going to try and use it to do what? Do you really think that if they had an issue that the US wouldn't just walk in and take it over. It's on US soil and they will probably end up employing more Americans than the "big 3 automakers"... so good for them!
narlus
02-21-2006, 06:25 PM
are they in charge of security of these ports? the arab world is not known for its constancy...
...It's on US soil and they will probably end up employing more Americans than the "big 3 automakers"... so good for them!
Here's a hypothetical for ya. You end up working at one of these ports and discover some new workplace rules in your employee manual. Say like no pork foods can be brought to lunch, or dress wear for women is a burkah. What is your opinion when the companies foreign values are imposed on you on American soil?
I'm not saying thats what will happen and foreigners should not own US businesses, but there are some unsavory implications.
valve bouncer
02-21-2006, 06:36 PM
I just saw on the news that the UAE is taking over operation of the ports frm P&O which is a British company.
Slugman
02-21-2006, 06:47 PM
are they in charge of security of these ports? the arab world is not known for its constancy...
I don't think the owners of a seaport are allowed to run their own security, other than night watchmen style. They are still watched by customs and need to comply with import export regulations set by the government. If the owner of the property set the rules, then Columbia would have bought Miami YEARS ago.
Here's a hypothetical for ya. You end up working at one of these ports and discover some new workplace rules in your employee manual. Say like no pork foods can be brought to lunch, or dress wear for women is a burkah. What is your opinion when the companies foreign values are imposed on you on American soil?
I'm not saying that’s what will happen and foreigners should not own US businesses, but there are some unsavory implications.
Have you ever dealt with the unions at a seaport? Not even a hypothetical... although some of the women would look better in a burka.
I just saw on the news that the UAE is taking over operation of the ports frm P&O which is a British company.
Yup ... so what's the big deal, it was not owned by americans anyway!
Tying the UAE's (Dubai's) government to terrorists because terrorists came from there and money went thru there is as tenious as tying the US government to the drug trade for the same reasons.
In the end it seems VERY dubious to me that a British company is being held to a different standard than an Arab company regardless of ownership.
I think they should be less worried about who owns them then how WE secure them, which isn't all that great.
narlus
02-22-2006, 07:36 AM
Yup ... so what's the big deal, it was not owned by americans anyway!
i think my main point is being lost on people...it's not that it's an Arab company, it's a governmentr-run company.
last i knew, P&O wasn't run by the british gov't but maybe i'm wrong about that.
LordOpie
02-22-2006, 08:08 AM
hahahahaahahahahaha ahahahahahaah ahhahahhahahaha hahahahahaha...
when asked about the UAE's ties to terrorism...
"One ought not, in my view, hold a country of origin responsible for every citizen they may have at any given time, particularly when people have multiple passports," said Donald Rumsfeld.
Isn't that one of the primary reasons we invaded Iraq?
hahahahaahahahah
fluff
02-22-2006, 08:24 AM
hahahahaahahahahaha ahahahahahaah ahhahahhahahaha hahahahahaha...
when asked about the UAE's ties to terrorism...
Isn't that one of the primary excuses we used to invade Iraq?
hahahahaahahahah
Fixed
Slugman
02-22-2006, 10:01 AM
Wow... this changes things slightly:
Bush unaware of port deal until after approval
White House: President only learned recently of handover to Arab firm
WASHINGTON - President Bush was unaware of the pending sale of shipping operations at six major U.S. seaports to a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates until the deal already had been approved by his administration, the White House said Wednesday.
Defending the deal anew, the administration also said that it should have briefed Congress sooner about the transaction, which has triggered a major political backlash among both Republicans and Democrats.
Bush on Tuesday brushed aside objections by leaders in the Senate and House that the $6.8 billion sale could raise risks of terrorism at American ports. In a forceful defense of his administration’s earlier approval of the deal, he pledged to veto any bill Congress might approve to block the agreement.
Linky - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/
rooftest
02-23-2006, 12:54 AM
I think the Democrats have succumbed to that same racism that had them shooting blacks with fire hoses 40 years ago...
Changleen
02-23-2006, 03:03 AM
http://www.wholewheatblogger.com/weblog/images/potandkettle250x150.jpg
Something like 7-8 trillion $ in debt, who do you think owns us guys?
world bank, Iran, etc.
The Bush Family supported Hitler!
fluff
02-23-2006, 03:40 AM
Something like 7-8 trillion $ in debt, who do you think owns us guys?
world bank, Iran, etc.
Ah, but who owns them?
narlus
02-23-2006, 07:20 AM
this is another off-shoot of our huge trade deficit...apparently people just don't want to stockpile our US money like monopoly currency, and actually want to buy stuff w/ it. US-based resources would tend to be high on that list. hooray.
fluff
02-23-2006, 07:44 AM
US money?
I wouldn't wipe my arse with it.
Something like 7-8 trillion $ in debt, who do you think owns us guys?
world bank, Iran, etc.
You don't understand how this works. Exactly how does someone collect on a that size debt. Someone comes to take Charleston for it, how do you think that's going to work out?
Meh... same union thugs now working for new masters... nothing to see here...
FYI
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11509217/
NEW YORK - America's 360 ports are the gateways for 90 percent of the nation's imports and exports and a front line in the war on terror. The overwhelming majority of the terminals at those ports are already leased or owned by foreign companies.
“In terms of security, I just think this is grossly overblown,” says Randall Larsen, with Homeland Security Associates. “It’s not a security risk because the U.S. government and local authorities control security.”
The companies are from countries such as China, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan and Denmark. Terminal operators typically lease space from a government port authority. They move goods on and off ships.
But security is, ultimately, the job of the U.S. government — Customs and Border Protection on land and the Coast Guard at sea.
Bill Heffelfinger, with Customs and Border Protection, says foreign companies pose no exceptional security risk, “because they have to meet our conditions for security within the port.”
I do think this has been blown WAY out of proportion (distraction from wire-taps, anyone?) but I have a quick question: will issues arise around diplomacy (e.g. diplomatic immunity) that make it harder to deal with this port because it is government-owned , not corporate-owned?
It feels like we would be more hesitant to mess with it for fear of screwing up international relations than if it were simply a multi-national based out of UAE...
dan-o
02-23-2006, 11:04 AM
The UAE is strategically located in the Gulf and is used by US forces (airforce and navy). It's also a short distance from Iran. They probably just had the low bid for the ports though....
The UAE is strategically located in the Gulf and is used by US forces (airforce and navy). It's also a short distance from Iran. They probably just had the low bid for the ports though....
We didn't own them. A british company did. Unless they have ties to Halliburton, there's no good reason they would sell to anyone but the HIGHEST bidder.
dan-o
02-23-2006, 11:29 AM
We didn't own them. A british company did. Unless they have ties to Halliburton, there's no good reason they would sell to anyone but the HIGHEST bidder.
I was getting at the fact that the US/UAE relationship is loaded with politics. Basically, I think we traded them a lucrative port contract in return for continued use of their country for military purposes.
You don't understand how this works. Exactly how does someone collect on a that size debt. Someone comes to take Charleston for it, how do you think that's going to work out?
DRB, I can’t agree with you more. But the major difference with our modern day situation is that; there is nothing to really come and take. We’ve already given up all the pertinent assets that once made this country truly valuable. 30+ years of trying to perfect the out-source process has left us with no textile industry, very little manufacturing, and a nation full of people that don’t know how to work with their hands anymore.
All we really are now is a country crowded with strip malls, salesmen, and fast food joints… just take a look around. It’s almost impossible to find an article of clothing or mechanical component that was made in this country! What do you think those little “made in china” stickers are all about.
But, whatever, when places like China, Korea, and India finally have there internal revolutions and the people rise up, we won’t have this cheap ass slave labor to play chess with anymore. Doesn’t anyone realize that those countries will eventually be subject to accelerated inflation as well? How cheap will the labor be then? We don’t have the factories anymore, to just jump back into the game again.
All the CEO’s in this country driving there BMW’s around, acting like there God’s gift to the business world with there big investments, futures & options, and there so called “smart money”; don’t make me laugh, you wouldn’t be sh!!t if it wasn’t for the hard work of the less fortunate foreigners of those countries doing all of your dirty work.
So to all of you big pimpin’, flosser type executives… enjoy it while it lasts, because it’s not gonna be like this forever… you better go bust a knuckle open and learn how to survive with some real skills!
I was getting at the fact that the US/UAE relationship is loaded with politics. Basically, I think we traded them a lucrative port contract in return for continued use of their country for military purposes.
How did we trade something we didn't have?
dan-o
02-23-2006, 12:42 PM
The UAE purchased the UK company that currently operates, but does not own, the ports. The ports belong to the US. Do you think the deal would go through if Iran bought the UK company, regardless of price?
Looks like the Dims are making much ado about nothing... as usual.
Too bad they don't have a plan for anything.
kidwoo
02-23-2006, 01:26 PM
Hey 3D.
What's up with your avatar?
If I'm not mistaken that's a picture I took of my buddy zeke at gieger.
Where the hell did you get that?
The UAE purchased the UK company that currently operates, but does not own, the ports. The ports belong to the US. Do you think the deal would go through if Iran bought the UK company, regardless of price?
Right!
They only bought the terminals at the ports not the ports themselves... how long until ABCCBSNBCMSNBCCNN and the Dim figure that out... :rolleyes:
Westy
02-23-2006, 01:40 PM
Right!
They only bought the terminals at the ports not the ports themselves... how long until ABCCBSNBCMSNBCCNN and the Dim figure that out... :rolleyes:
And Republican Majority Leaders.
Old Man G Funk
02-23-2006, 01:44 PM
And Republican Majority Leaders.
Like in this article?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/22/AR2006022201609.html
richcreek
02-23-2006, 01:45 PM
they didnt sell it
The UAE purchased the UK company that currently operates, but does not own, the ports. The ports belong to the US. Do you think the deal would go through if Iran bought the UK company, regardless of price?
Again, it's a different issue. We regard Iran as a hostile state, so any commerce they conduct in the US is going to be restricted or monitored. We don't regard the UAE as a hostile state, so why should they be held to different standards than any other friendly nation? Any friendly government (or multinational corporation) could have bought the terminals... the UAE didn't have to do any insider deals, they just had to bid the highest.
This is strictly a political issue and not a security issue.
I think old W will be ok on this one... and succeed in making the Dims look like racists...
chicodude
02-23-2006, 01:48 PM
Hey 3D.
What's up with your avatar?
If I'm not mistaken that's a picture I took of my buddy zeke at gieger.
Where the hell did you get that?
Thats what I was thinkin'
Westy
02-23-2006, 01:49 PM
This is strictly a political issue and not a security issue.
Kind of like our other major middle east policies regarding the Tigris river valley area.
Old Man G Funk
02-23-2006, 01:52 PM
This is strictly a political issue and not a security issue.
I think old W will be ok on this one... and succeed in making the Dims look like racists...
The "Dims" and the Republicans in Congress too, right, or didn't you read Westy's post and the article I posted?
Slugman
02-23-2006, 02:08 PM
Looks like the Dims are making much ado about nothing... as usual.
Too bad they don't have a plan for anything.
Blazing forward with your ignorance as usual... one of the loudest voices has been Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.
http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/022206/news1.html
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12528.html
http://myrick.house.gov/
http://frist.senate.gov/
etc...
Blazing forward with your ignorance as usual... one of the loudest voices has been Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.
http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/022206/news1.html
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12528.html
http://myrick.house.gov/
http://frist.senate.gov/
etc...
It's a political issue not a security issue... I think W is gonna be just fine on this one.
Changleen
02-23-2006, 02:23 PM
Oh dear N8.
Bloomberg:
Assurances
U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said the agreement includes provisions intended to enhance port security.
``The United States government did request specific assurances from the parties involved in this transaction,'' Gonzales said on CNBC. ``Those assurances have been given.''
He didn't give specifics. The Associated Press, citing documents obtained by the wire service, reported that DP World agreed to cooperate with U.S. investigations and reveal records on demand about ``foreign operational direction'' of its business. The agreement doesn't force the company to keep copies of business records on U.S. soil, where they would be subject to court orders, the AP reported.
The administration didn't anticipate the uproar the sale caused. The transaction was examined for security concerns and not for its political impact, McClellan said.
No Political Review
``I don't think anybody during this process was looking at it in any way other than the national security standpoint,'' McClellan said yesterday. The administration ``should have been briefing members of Congress sooner, given all the attention that has been focused on this.''
Blazing forward with your ignorance as usual... one of the loudest voices has been Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist.
http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/022206/news1.html
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12528.html
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_022206/content/limbaugh_nuance.guest.html
http://myrick.house.gov/
http://frist.senate.gov/
etc...
:clue:
Let's talk about the Republican fallout for just a second. Bush is not running for anything again, but he knows he wants to maintain the house, wants to maintain the majority in the House and Senate. This is an election year. If you take a look at all these Republicans opposing Bush, what are they doing? They're establishing independence, they are illustrating they're not sycophants, they're illustrating they have their own minds.
They are illustrating that they can't be whipped into shape by the White House. This will set them up well to campaign when the campaign season heats up later this year. I think this is a possibility of a bunch of rope-a-dopes going on in there. How about the way the president is sounding on this? Oh, man, I wish we would have heard him sound like this on a couple or three other issues, but he's saying, "To hell with you people. You go ahead and pass this; I'm going to veto it. I promise you I'm going to veto it."
Westy
02-23-2006, 02:24 PM
It's a political issue not a security issue... I think W is gonna be just fine on this one.
I think the N8 postOmatic machine is skipping. Someone give it a kick.
Hey 3D.
What's up with your avatar?
If I'm not mistaken that's a picture I took of my buddy zeke at gieger.
Where the hell did you get that?
kidwoo, all this time spent nursing my ankle and neck has left me with a lot of RM time. I finally had to get a couple of posts in, it's just too tempting!
-The Bush Family supported Hitler-
Not to mention, on almost shameful amount of CAD time.
-The Bush Family supported Hitler-
kidwoo
02-23-2006, 02:47 PM
Not to mention, on almost shameful amount of CAD
Ahh.
Okay......you're the only one allowed to use that picture then.
I just ordered a video camera. If you get antsy I'll let you hold it while I ride in front of you.
Ahh.
Okay......you're the only one allowed to use that picture then.
I just ordered a video camera. If you get antsy I'll let you hold it while I ride in front of you.
I'm in, but only if you pull me in a baby trailer while doing the new hip line.
kidwoo
02-23-2006, 03:03 PM
I'm in, but only if you pull me in a baby trailer while doing the new hip line.
I can barely pull my own ass through that line. I haven't gotten past number 3 yet.
I did knock myself unconscious and remove a bunch of skin from my face on number 2 last weekend.
THAT's the kind of thing I need on video. Give me a call before this weekend.
I can barely pull my own ass through that line. I haven't gotten past number 3 yet.
I did knock myself unconscious and remove a bunch of skin from my face on number 2 last weekend.
THAT's the kind of thing I need on video. Give me a call before this weekend.
I saw your mug shot on the full face thread, let's just say the picture told a brutal tale.
As for this weekend... I'll probably be stuck behind this f-cking CAD program for most of the weekend (deadline next week), but I think I can pull out for one of the two days. My burner is back together and rideable... I might have to break out some ankle braces and hit it up! I'll give you a ring.
:clue:
N8, Hillary Clinton; are you really being serious about that? Don't you know the kind of people Bill and her play in the sand box with? One word Bilderberg, if you don't know what it means do your homework. Speaking of homework, just in case you didn't know:
-The Bush Family supported Hitler- true fact! :clue:
fluff
02-23-2006, 04:02 PM
I think the N8 postOmatic machine is skipping. Someone give it a kick.
Me, me, me, me... damn that's a long queue....
N8, Hillary Clinton; are you really being serious about that? Don't you know the kind of people Bill and her play in the sand box with? One word Bilderberg, if you don't know what it means do your homework. Speaking of homework, just in case you didn't know:
-The Bush Family supported Hitler- true fact! :clue:
Time to change your bong water, Sparkey!
Bikecrasher
02-23-2006, 05:09 PM
Lot's of misinformation on this topic. DP World is a terminal operator, meaning they perform the loading and unloading of cargo off of thier customers vessels. Probably the biggest change made to the terminals they bought in the US will be to paint the gantry cranes, and put up a bunch of new signs. I work for a "foreign" terminal operator. If everyone is so concerned with security, then they should take a close look at the ILA / ILWU labor.
If everyone is so concerned with security, then they should take a close look at the ILA / ILWU labor.
Amen Brother!!!
:thumb:
Time to change your bong water, Sparkey!
Well done N8,
That’s exactly the kind of comment I would expect from a blind sighted, half educated, want-a-be politician, such as yourself. Just to clue you in on a couple of things they would’ve never discussed in your debate class, first of all the Bilderberg Group is made up of big-wigs such as Henry A. Kissinger, James D. Wolfensohn - President of The World Bank, Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa - Member of the Executive Board European Central Bank, to name a few. And if you think these guys are getting together once a year to play a game of poker, your highly mistaken. They meet annually with about 50-100 other billionaire elitists to discuss global issues.
See for yourself-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm
These are some of the richest and most powerful people in the world, getting together to discuss significant global power moves that directly affect all of our lives, and there is absolutely zero media coverage allowed. You tell me if that should be of any importance to us.
As for the Bush family, do a little research on GW’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, you won’t have to be a history major to learn the truth about that old hag. http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2
While your at it, why don’t you enlighten yourself about some of the other dirty little facts of just exactly who was behind the financing of the Nazis. People like Henry Ford, Standard Oil, Bayer Aspirin, etc… do you think Adolf pulled hundreds of millions of dollars out of his ass?
Check out old Henry-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm
N8, please turn of Fox news, put the clicker down, and take some time to educate yourself on world history and global affairs… rest assure you’ll then know what the hell your talking about when it comes to politics.
I think the word you were previously trying to spell is “Sparky”, but don’t worry I understand how difficult it is, for you straight edge types, to relate to the rest of us.
Well done N8,
That’s exactly the kind of comment I would expect from a blind sighted, half educated, want-a-be politician, such as yourself. Just to clue you in on a couple of things they would’ve never discussed in your debate class, first of all the Bilderberg Group is made up of big-wigs such as Henry A. Kissinger, James D. Wolfensohn - President of The World Bank, Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa - Member of the Executive Board European Central Bank, to name a few. And if you think these guys are getting together once a year to play a game of poker, your highly mistaken. They meet annually with about 50-100 other billionaire elitists to discuss global issues.
See for yourself-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm
These are some of the richest and most powerful people in the world, getting together to discuss significant global power moves that directly affect all of our lives, and there is absolutely zero media coverage allowed. You tell me if that should be of any importance to us.
As for the Bush family, do a little research on GW’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, you won’t have to be a history major to learn the truth about that old hag. http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2
While your at it, why don’t you enlighten yourself about some of the other dirty little facts of just exactly who was behind the financing of the Nazis. People like Henry Ford, Standard Oil, Bayer Aspirin, etc… do you think Adolf pulled hundreds of millions of dollars out of his ass?
Check out old Henry-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm
N8, please turn of Fox news, put the clicker down, and take some time to educate yourself on world history and global affairs… rest assure you’ll then know what the hell your talking about when it comes to politics.
I think the word you were previously trying to spell is “Sparky”, but don’t worry I understand how difficult it is, for you straight edge types, to relate to the rest of us.
:tinfoilhat:
3D meet changleen.... changleen meet 3D...
:p
changleen is all good, and I'm sure your are too N8...
N8, I hope you get a chance to check out some of those links.
Gold is most excellent; gold constitutes treasure; and he who has it does all he wants in the world, and can even lift souls up to Paradise. - Christopher Columbus, 1503 letter to the king and queen of Spain
Christopher Columbus not only opened the door to a New World, but also set an example for all by showing what monumental feats can be accomplished through perseverance and faith. - George Bush, 1989 speech
Twisted Fuchs!
An empire is an immense egotism. - Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)
Peace Out.
BurlyShirley
02-23-2006, 07:22 PM
Gold is most excellent; gold constitutes treasure; and he who has it does all he wants in the world, and can even lift souls up to Paradise. - Christopher Columbus, 1503 letter to the king and queen of Spain
Christopher Columbus not only opened the door to a New World, but also set an example for all by showing what monumental feats can be accomplished through perseverance and faith. - George Bush, 1989 speech
????
Those are the best quotes you could find?
You realize of course, just about any two quotes put together can be made to sound however you want, right?
For instance.
"There is a steroid problem in Baseball" - Bud Selig
" Baseball is a great sport" - Your dad
Does your dad endorse steroids?
????
Those are the best quotes you could find?
You realize of course, just about any two quotes put together can be made to sound however you want, right?
For instance.
"There is a steroid problem in Baseball" - Bud Selig
" Baseball is a great sport" - Your dad
Does your dad endorse steroids?
BS, real profound, I commend you on your efforts to post an analogy that would mock what was previously stated, but if you don’t recognize the differences, I’m not even going to attempt to explain them to you.
Maybe someone else hear has the patience to handle this one, possibly an individual with expertise in the field of child development.
BurlyShirley
02-23-2006, 08:32 PM
BS, real profound, I commend you on your efforts to post an analogy that would mock what was previously stated, but if you don’t recognize the differences, I’m not even going to attempt to explain them to you.
Maybe someone else hear has the patience to handle this one, possibly an individual with expertise in the field of child development.
Yawn...
Changleen
02-23-2006, 08:41 PM
Missing the Ritalin?
BurlyShirley
02-23-2006, 08:49 PM
Missing the Ritalin?
No, just loving the lortabs.
How'd you get one of your clones in here anyway?
No, just loving the lortabs.
How'd you get one of your clones in here anyway?
A changleen bot!!!
:eek:
Just what does this guy know? I mean decades of military experience and all.......
Tommy Franks Defends Dubai Ports Deal
2/22/06 | Carl Limbacher
Former CENTCOM commanding general Tommy Franks said Wednesday that the Bush administration was right to approve a deal for a United Arab Emirates-based company to run six major U.S. ports.
"We have more U.S. Navy ships using the port in Dubai, Jebel Ali, than any other port outside the United States," Franks told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes."
The former Iraq war commander explained U.S. reliance on the Dubai port facility by saying, "We know he difference between an enemy and a friend."
"The Emirates is a friend," Franks aid. "That is the best run port that I've ever seen."
Gen. Franks said the Dubai company had three essential qualities that commend it for the task of running U.S. ports: the capacity to handle the job, the inclination to do it right and security, which he noted "will remain, in any case, in the hands of the United States Coast Guard."
Changleen
02-23-2006, 09:23 PM
No, just loving the lortabs.
How'd you get one of your clones in here anyway?Wasn't me. He's not an exact clone anyway. There must be some nurture factor in there.
Changleen
02-23-2006, 09:24 PM
Just what does this guy know? I mean decades of military experience and all.......
Tommy Franks Defends Dubai Ports Deal
The former Iraq war commander explained U.S. reliance on the Dubai port facility by saying, "We know he difference between an enemy and a friend."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
BWAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
BWHAHAHAAAA
No seriously.
BWAHAHAHA
skinny mike
02-23-2006, 09:57 PM
doesnt this uae company now have a contract to transport american military equipment at the ports now that it is taking over from p&o? that just makes me feel so warm and fuzzy now. :rolleyes:
DaveW
02-23-2006, 10:31 PM
:tinfoilhat:
3D meet changleen.... changleen meet 3D...
:p
Standard response of some one out of their depth and unable to prove their case in the argument.....When faced by fact's that they can't disprove resort to either bombast or try to use grade school level insults. :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:
BurlyShirley
02-23-2006, 10:32 PM
Standard response of some one out of their depth and unable to prove their case in the argument.....When faced by fact's that they can't disprove resort to either bombast or try to use grade school level insults. :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:
See Beerdemon's posts in every thread here.
Slugman
02-24-2006, 02:58 PM
Interesting....
UAE ties include $100 million Katrina donation
U.S. says money came before Dubai Company sought ports deal
WASHINGTON - The United Arab Emirates gave the Bush administration $100 million to help victims of Hurricane Katrina weeks before a state-owned company there sought U.S. approval for its ports deal.
The White House said Thursday the $100 million for storm victims demonstrates the relationship between the two governments caught in a firestorm over the potential security risks of state-owned Dubai Ports World running significant operations at six major U.S. ports.
The administration said the request for U.S. approval of the $6.8 billion ports deal and the UAE contribution were not related.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11537914/from/RS.2/
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