brembo brakes..are they better than rest of brakes ?

[Downhiller]

so are they or they are just "like other brakes"

ps. sorry for all pics i think it was before but i found in word documents links
i cant search my pc is fcking me so i dont know what is the problem

old pics but still:

-Twin 24mm Titanium pistons
-203mm diameter, 2mm thickness floating rotor
-Forged aluminium, CNC machined master cylinder and lever
-Adjustable reach lever
-Stainless steel braided hoses
-Same stainless-steel alloy braking surface as used in Superbike and --MotoGP rain brake setups.
-Limited edition of 250 brake sets per year, worldwide

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_07.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_09.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_13.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_03.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_04.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_05.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_06.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_08.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_10.jpg

http://www.mtb-extreme.de/technik/2004/brembo/brem_11.jpg

http://www.rower.com/images/bb_l/3690.jpg

http://www.rower.com/images/bb_l/3689.jpg

http://bikemagazin.sk/prispevky/id_738/brembo.jpg

[sinisteridge]

i hear they are intensly powerfull, and hard to find

[Transcend]

i hear they are intensly powerfull, and hard to find

As well as ridiculously overpriced.

[MOTODH]

I also read that they were a little too powerful and that they are trying to tune them down a bit

[Sir_Crackien]

all i got to ask is why do we need flaoting rotors when you have opposing pistons??

flaoting rotors only make since to me when you have a fixed pad on the caliper

[black noise]

I believe that Brembos are pretty much the **** in the car world.

[Jm_]

Not even a monoblock caliper.

I'm not sure how people are convinced that they're so much better than everything else. The fact that they cost more usually does it for some people. There's nothing "magical" about brakes, you can vary the piston sizes and use different pad compounds, but nothing about these brembos makes me want to own a pair. They're not even bling bling like my m4s :D

[manhattanprjkt83]

Im sure they work great but they seem very clunky to me and totally unsexy. I am sure they work great coming from a company like brembo, but it doesnt seem they did much market research prior entering into the mtb brake arena. Seems to me they had the "we are brembo people will buy" philosophy.

They look like something from 1996...As for power, everytime something new comes out everyone does the "my stx cantilever brakes work fine who needs disks" routine...then eventually those guys end up with hope m6's...we all love more power, dont kid yourselves...

[zedro]

Not even a monoblock caliper.

monoblock doesnt necessarily equal superior stiffness/power, this is what certain brake manufacturers use as a marketing point, and of course pimp-out looks. Dont forget, steel is much stiffer than aluminum, so a bolted section can be made stiffer (although not necessarily lighter). Like anything, it comes down to individual designs.

[wysiwyg]

all i got to ask is why do we need flaoting rotors when you have opposing pistons??

flaoting rotors only make since to me when you have a fixed pad on the caliper
It keeps the heat from the outer section from passing to the inner section and causing the whole disk to warp.

See, when the caliper is squeezing the disk, it generates heat, lots of it. In a solid disk, when the disk heats up, the outer area (the part being squeezed) gets a lot hotter quicker than the inner area.

What happens when steel gets hot? It expands, and the outer area expands proportionately more than the inner area since it is getting heated directly by the pads. If it stays hot long enough, though, the inner area will expand a lot, too. And when the disk cools off the outer area shrinks more than the inner area. That squeezes the whole disk into a the shape of a flat cone. The hub and the friction area will no longer be concentric - you have a warped disk, and it must be replaced.

[Jm_]

monoblock doesnt necessarily equal superior stiffness/power, this is what certain brake manufacturers use as a marketing point, and of course pimp-out looks. Dont forget, steel is much stiffer than aluminum, so a bolted section can be made stiffer (although not necessarily lighter). Like anything, it comes down to individual designs.
Im going for maximum bling though.

[BKQuill]

It keeps the heat from the outer section from passing to the inner section and causing the whole disk to warp.

See, when the caliper is squeezing the disk, it generates heat, lots of it. In a solid disk, when the disk heats up, the outer area (the part being squeezed) gets a lot hotter quicker than the inner area.

What happens when steel gets hot? It expands, and the outer area expands proportionately more than the inner area since it is getting heated directly by the pads. If it stays hot long enough, though, the inner area will expand a lot, too. And when the disk cools off the outer area shrinks more than the inner area. That squeezes the whole disk into a the shape of a flat cone. The hub and the friction area will no longer be concentric - you have a warped disk, and it must be replaced.

Couldn't have said it better myself:thumb:

[Jm_]

It keeps the heat from the outer section from passing to the inner section and causing the whole disk to warp.
That doesn't really make sense though, because the rotor would heat up more due to lack of heat transfer. If it heated up more, I'd imagine that it would warp just the same.

[klunky]

That lever looks super industrial

[zedro]

That doesn't really make sense though, because the rotor would heat up more due to lack of heat transfer. If it heated up more, I'd imagine that it would warp just the same.

i believe it's about having that flexible transition point between the two areas that is supposed to keep it from warping. Although there was another poster awhile back that had a pretty good explanation on why the floating system doesnt actually work as touted.

[S.K.C.]

...just out of curiosity - where would you even get a pair?

LBS???

Brembo directly?

At around $900+ for a set, I don't want or need em' but, just wondering...:think:

[dhkid]

the rotors aren't really floating, their more like the hope ones, just two peice rotors, and the cool part is you can just swich out just the braking surface i presume coz its just put together with a cir clip. they have insane power and pretty good modulation, but thats just from parking lot tests, i gotta say they they aren't really worth it coz there are soo expensive and heavy.
it would be cool if the just sell the rotors. :drool:

[Jm_]

it would be cool if the just sell the rotors. :drool:
Bet they would be expensive too. The hope ones are pretty pricy.

[Wayne]

We carry Brembo for Canada.

A couple of things to point out: The models shown are basically a pre-production model in manufacturered in limited numbers. These have been tested very thoroughly for quite a long time and from one of my closest sources, they work like how you'd think Brembos would work. They are functionally as close to perfection as one might imagine.

The price will probably jump down to at or near what other high end brakes are priced at, and will have the distict look of Brembo brakes (recessed ti bolts, sleek lines, etc, etc).

[dhkid]

Bet they would be expensive too. The hope ones are pretty pricy.
well, if what wayne is true then they would be probably around the same price of the hoopes one, just the added part of IF you glaze them, then you can just get the braking surface changed out, that if they would sell that seperately too.

[zedro]

.....IF you glaze them, then you can just get the braking surface changed out....

....or, you know, use sand paper and cleaner...

[dhkid]

ok, but if and when you totally screw them up. nvm...

[Downhiller]

little off topic: how often do you must change normal rotors (hayes, galfer, avid etc. etc. )

[SOil]

that doesn't look like the latest lever

you can check them out at www.skillbikes.com

[Downhiller]

for lazy guys:

http://www.skillbikes.com/Brembo/manete_400.jpg

http://www.skillbikes.com/Brembo/rear.png

http://www.skillbikes.com/Brembo/rotor_m.jpg

[DHS]

if they want to give me some, i'll test them for them..

[Downhiller]

http://www.brembo.com/ENG/Racing/Mountain+Bikes/

[DHS]

http://www.brembo.com/ENG/Racing/Mountain+Bikes/
yea thats the same thing thats been on their site for a good 6months when we brought this up a bit ago. they should update that.
really

[S.K.C.]

hmmm... I checked the prices at skillbikes.com and they were listed at 595 euros per set (front or rear)...

That comes out to about $720 USD...

If they knocked like $100 off of that, they might have a market for a limited run, high-end brake set in the U.S.

Juicys and Mags are usually given an MSRP of approximately $530 or so... An MSRP of $620 with a retail of about 80 to 85% of that sounds reasonable to me for a limited edition, high-quality product.

What do you guys think? Does that assessment sound about right?

[bballe336]

They look awesome. I think those blue lines look nice. And if they are only making 250 sets per year I can see why the price is so high.

[Transcend]

They look awesome. I think those blue lines look nice. And if they are only making 250 sets per year I can see why the price is so high.

The price is high because they put "Brembo" on them, let's be honest here. They aren't even the be all and end all of car racing brakes, but they are the name that everyone knows.

[Downhiller]

i ask them about brembo and this is what they told me:

"Hi Vlatko,

Thanks for your email.

The current brembo brake is a limited production brake, manufactured by Brembo's competition division (Brembo Racing, who make brakes for the Schumacher and Rossi's of this world) to 250 units per year worldwide, most of which have been destined for testing.
This is inevitably reflected on the price, making them not just probably the best MTB braking system on the market, but also certainly the most exclusive.

This is to say that these are not a traditional commercial product as such, and there are no plans to have a full blown production model in 2006, which would take place by shifting manufacturing from Brembo Racing to Brembo, the commercial division.

Yes they are the best brakes we have riden/raced, comparing with Hope's 6Ti's, Avid Juicy 7's, etc.
At the moment we don't have any better pictures than the ones on our site.
We have scheduled a very special build for the launch of a hot US brand in Europe (UK and Portuguese mags), which will include Brembo brakes, we can keep you posted on that.

In the meanwhile should you need any further info on the brakes, regarding specs etc, don't hesitate to contact us.

Happy trails,
Filipe Horta"

[bballe336]

The price is high because they put "Brembo" on them, let's be honest here. They aren't even the be all and end all of car racing brakes, but they are the name that everyone knows.

I guess I wasn't very clear on what I was trying to say. I am saying that any product with a production run as limited as 250 units will be priced higher than a similar product with a higher production number.

[S.K.C.]

Wow...

That has to be the most detailed response I've seen yet from a company with regards to product info - and it's for a product that's not even in mass production or a center piece of the company's product line.

Downhiller - nice work with sending out a request for info.

Very interesting...

[SOil]

Wow...

That has to be the most detailed response I've seen yet from a company with regards to product info - and it's for a product that's not even in mass production or a center piece of the company's product line.

Downhiller - nice work with sending out a request for info.

Very interesting...

And that response wasn't from brembo, was from SKillBikes, one of their dealers ;)

[Jorgen]

A dude over here just built up his Commencal with Brembo's :-)
Looks good, rumors has it that they have super modulation and are very, very powerful.

http://home.no.net/fracer/c.jpg

[Changleen]

Guys, MTB hydro brakes are SIMPLE engineering systems. They're all fairly similar with whatever tint (in terms of power, modulation or whatever the designer feels is more important) is applied in the design and translated through consistent quality of manufacture. Sure more power is nice, but let's face it, even a few years ago brakes like Hope 6s were unnecassarily powerful for 95% of riders. That doesn't mean people don't like to use them.

Frankly, having started on BMX and still riding u-brakes quite often my fingers are more than capable of putting a bit of pressure on a lever. There is barely a hydro disk out there that cannot be made to lock under most conditions, so WTF? Why pay $700+ for a brake? I would not do it personally.

However there is the argument for progession. If you take my argument to the extreme we wouldn't even have disks, we'd all be running u brakes or mabe cantis with strong fingers. I'm all for Brembo trying to take it a step further, but to be honesdt, having looked at their brake, and their site, but amittedly not having used them, I have to say it looks to me that Hope and Avid, hell even Shimano are pushing the tech further than these '98 Hayes copies.

[Rik]

They are functionally as close to perfection as one might imagine.I've a feeling for those that are paying rediculous prices for a brakeset, functionality won't be the #1 priority ;)

[Changleen]

I mean, if you paid $700 for a brake, you'd probably think it was the **** no matter what, eh? I'm not saying it's not, but...

[ALEXIS_DH]

I mean, if you paid $700 for a brake, you'd probably think it was the **** no matter what, eh? I'm not saying it's not, but...


that is just ridiculous.

you can pick up a set of good 30cm ap brakes (4 of them!) for a race car for about the price of 4 brembo MOUNTAIN BIKE brakes...

goddamit, that is just ridiculous on so many levels....

[Wayne]

Like I said, the price on Brembos will come down to about where Hope Mono 6 ti's are at. These first-run brakes are more of a trial to see how they would work.

[SuspectDevice]

A dude over here just built up his Commencal with Brembo's :-)
Looks good, rumors has it that they have super modulation and are very, very powerful.

http://home.no.net/fracer/c.jpg


That is such a rockin bike. If I was in the market for a DH bike, and had any money, that frame/fork/shock setup would be way at the top of the list....

[intensified]

BUY BREMBOS

:oink:

[jimmydean]

If they are anything like the Brembo's that came stock on my Husaberg, then i would consider them for sure.

http://www.husaberg.se/EN/images/Husaberg_FE_450e.jpg


I'm a cheap bastard though and Hayes work very well for me as it is.

[Bicyclist]

That Commencal looks nice.

[CreeP]

all i got to ask is why do we need flaoting rotors when you have opposing pistons??

flaoting rotors only make since to me when you have a fixed pad on the caliper

there are different kinds of floating rotors. some float axially and some float radially. these float in the radial plane, like the hopes, this allows for the steel to expand somewhat at temp without disturbing their trueness. If they floated along the axis that would simply allow them to run constantly perpendicular to the axle, which can be useful in some cases. Most top level car brakes are axial float despite the calipers having opposing pistons.

and Frazer was not kidding when he said overpriced!

[DH biker]

I have Brembo Brakes. They work great too.
http://img60.echo.cx/img60/862/brembobrakes6zv.jpg


http://img236.echo.cx/img236/6131/brembobrakes25xz.jpg

[Superdeft]

I think it's cute that Brembo is making a brake for mountain bikes. For guys who keep their bike dripping with the latest and most pricey parts it's perfect: expensive, exclusive, and probably works well, have at it boys.

However, for most people out on the front lines of our sport kicking ass and riding all the time, it's something of a toy.