"We grew here, you flew here"...racial unrest in Oz

[ridetoofast]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/11/D8EEF3JO0.html

Racial Violence Shocks Australian City

By MIKE CORDER
Associated Press Writer
Dec 11 10:43 PM US/Eastern

SYDNEY, Australia - Thousands of drunken white youths attacked police and people they believed were Arab immigrants at a Sydney beach on Sunday, angered by reports that youths of Lebanese descent had assaulted two lifeguards. Young men of Arab descent retaliated in several Sydney suburbs, fighting with police and smashing 40 cars with sticks and bats, police said.


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Thirty-one people were injured and 28 were arrested in hours of violence. Police said they were seeking an Arab man who allegedly stabbed a white man in the back.

The city was calm Monday, and police formed a strike force to track down the instigators.

Some 5,000 white youths, wrapped in Australian flags and chanting racist slurs, fought with police, attacked people of Arab appearance and assaulted a pair of paramedics at Cronulla beach in southern Sydney, police said. Police fought back with batons and pepper spray.

Prime Minister John Howard condemned the violence, but said he did not believe racism was widespread in Australia.

"Attacking people on the basis of their race, their appearance, their ethnicity, is totally unacceptable and should be repudiated by all Australians irrespective of their own background and their politics," Howard said.

He added, "I'm not going to put a general tag (of) racism on the Australian community."

The rioters were reacting to reports that youths of Lebanese descent were responsible for an attack last weekend on two of the beach's lifeguards.

Police had increased the number of officers patrolling the beach after mobile phone text messages circulated calling for retaliation for the attack on the guards.

One white teenager among the rioters had the words "We grew here, you flew here" painted on his back. On the sand, someone had written "100 percent Aussie pride."

Two paramedics in an ambulance were injured as they tried to help youths trying to escape rioters, when members of the mob smashed the vehicle's windows and kicked its doors.

TV broadcasts showed a group of young women attacking another woman, whose ethnicity was not immediately clear.

The violence shocked this city of 4 million which prides itself on being a cultural melting pot.

"Our disgrace," said a front page headline in Sydney's Daily Telegraph. Below was a picture of white youths attacking a man of Arab appearance on a train.

"Let's be very clear, the police will be unrelenting in their fight against these thugs and hooligans," said Morris Iemma, the leader of New South Wales state. He said the riots "showed the ugly side of racism in this country."

Kevin Schreiber, the mayor of the district where Cronulla is located, said he was devastated by the rampage, but that he believed the rioters came "from far and wide to participate."

Cronulla, one of the few beaches in Sydney that is easily accessible by train, is often visited by youngsters from poorer suburbs, many of them of Arab descent. Residents accuse the youths of traveling in gangs and sometimes intimidating other beachgoers.

Bruce Baird, a government lawmaker, said anti-Muslim sentiment has risen in Australia since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the 2002 bombings in Bali, Indonesia, that killed 88 Australians. He noted that six women from Cronulla were killed in the Bali bombings.

"Where this riot took place is actually the site of where we've got the Bali memorial for these women," Baird told Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio.

Kuranda Seyit, director of the Forum of Australia's Islamic Relations, described Australia as a "pluralist society, with many faiths and traditions all raveled into one."

He added: "This is the unique success of this nation, and we cannot let it fall into chaos and lawlessness."

damn this is a surprise...

[Andyman_1970]

A co-worker of mine was looking into imigrating to Oz. Evidently if you're of western European decent (*coug* not middle eastern or Asian *cough*) and can support yourself for at least 2 years they pretty much have a "no questions asked" come right in policy.

[Westy]

I passed by a TV the other day with some news channel on with the headline "Drunken Australians Riot". All I could think was "isn't drunken and Australian a given".:) It seems that the incident was a little more sinister.

[sanjuro]

Sorry buddy that arguement doesn't fly. Australia hasn't seen the need to kill its citizens and we are as diverse as you are. Find another excuse.
This is from another thread, but I wanted to bring this up again about how America, despite all its problems, does a much better job with diversity issues than other countries...

[sanjuro]

Says it all.

[LordOpie]

I bet the Aboriginal are just a laughin and laughin'.

[valve bouncer]

A co-worker of mine was looking into imigrating to Oz. Evidently if you're of western European decent (*coug* not middle eastern or Asian *cough*) and can support yourself for at least 2 years they pretty much have a "no questions asked" come right in policy.
Complete bullsh*t Andy. Way more complicated than that. The only people who have anywhere near an open door policy are Kiwis because of the historical ties.

[valve bouncer]

This is from another thread, but I wanted to bring this up again about how America, despite all its problems, does a much better job with diversity issues than other countries...
Yeah because there's never race riots in America is there?:rolleyes:

[greg447]

Racial riots are always messy, and i believe that most of the racial riots are blown out of perportion. The same situation happened in France, a group of arabs living in France we protesting teh un-fair treatment they were receaving from teh Fremch government. I guess they were'nt getting the same job oprotunitys as teh French residents, well they arabs climbed a power grid and got killed, the arabs then rioted and tryed to kill the french police. The police then used neccesarly force, killing many rioters. Well i thought id bring that up, and isent this ironic the French dident want to go into Iraq ( understandible) but they dient want to help on Afghanistan ( not understandible) claiming that the middle eastern people espscially the Arabs were being treated un-faily by the UN and that they dident want to cause any more tention than was already present between the middle east and the French.

[Andyman_1970]

Complete bullsh*t Andy.

I'm not making this up......seriously........that's what he told me he's not one to BS.

I'll see if I can get the specifics from him today when I get to work......

[MMike]

Frickin' Australians.... we need to banish them to a far-away island somewhere...

[kidwoo]

Frickin' Australians.... we need to banish them to a far-away island somewhere...

Let's mail them to hawaii and they can get the haole beatdown brah.


How was the racial tension on vashon island when you were in the area?

[Damn True]

How's that whole Aborignal thing going down there.

Woops, not supposed to mention that skeleton.....sorry.

[Changleen]

How's that whole Aborignal thing going down there.

Woops, not supposed to mention that skeleton.....sorry.WTF??

[valve bouncer]

How's that whole Aborignal thing going down there.

Woops, not supposed to mention that skeleton.....sorry.
They've been quiet. Probably too busy wading through the irony.

[Damn True]

Boy that Pauline Hanson was a peach wasn't she?

[ridetoofast]

Complete bullsh*t Andy. Way more complicated than that. The only people who have anywhere near an open door policy are Kiwis because of the historical ties.

hmm..its ok for the ozzies to have a tight border but when the yanks want to do it...its tyranny/bigotry/racism/frothing etc

how interesting :rolleyes:

[Damn True]

hmm..its ok for the ozzies to have a tight border but when the yanks want to do it...its tyranny/bigotry/racism/frothing etc

how interesting :rolleyes:

Well it's different because well....um.......you see........it's kinda complicated.......um.......see what I mean? It's totally different.

[valve bouncer]

hmm..its ok for the ozzies to have a tight border but when the yanks want to do it...its tyranny/bigotry/racism/frothing etc

how interesting :rolleyes:
You honestly do not even have a single clue what you're talking about. It's painfully obvious you know nothing about Australia's immigration policies. One of the reasons some of those morons at Cronulla were fighting is because they think Australia's immigration policy is too liberal.

[Changleen]

It's the Ride True Damn Fast comedy hour!

Damn you guys have no idea sometimes. You're comparing official immigration policy on an island to a bunch of rednecks shooting at mexicans in the desert?

[valve bouncer]

It's the Ride True Damn Fast comedy hour!

Damn you guys have no idea sometimes. You're comparing official immigration policy on an island to a bunch of rednecks shooting at mexicans in the desert?
They don't have any idea what they're talking about. Pretty much the same with all they write. I call it "frotheritis".
The reasons behind this riot and Australia's immigration policy are really 2 different discussions but it would be impossible to argue it with Fast and True as they don't have the foggiest notion at what's going on.

[jaydee]

Well everybody knows that the original white "settlers" of Australia come from much better stock than the current crop of non-white immigrants. I can certainly see where they have an inherent right to drunkenly protest.

[preppie]

This can happen everywhere.

But I'm sure that this whole "racism issue" is blown out of proportion.
The media loves this kind of news and spread it as wide as possible.
An English journalist compared these 'riots' with English hooligans at an international soccer game....a 'select group of trash messing up"

It's not because some white trash scum screams "We grew here, you flew here" that the majority of Australia agrees.


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[fluff]

They've been quiet. Probably too busy wading through the irony.
Is that a new brand of whisky?

[valve bouncer]

This can happen everywhere.

But I'm sure that this whole "racism issue" is blown out of proportion.
The media loves this kind of news and spread it as wide as possible.
An English journalist compared these 'riots' with English hooligans at an international soccer game....a 'select group of trash messing up"

It's not because some white trash scum screams "We grew here, you flew here" that the majority of Australia agrees.


. A reasonable analysis however....
There was a really nasty racial undercurrent in these riots. It's never very far below the surface in Australia.

[N8]

A reasonable analysis however....
There was a really nasty racial undercurrent in these riots. It's never very far below the surface in Australia.


The abroginals are generally treated like lowly scum by true blues as are a lot of people from asia.

[preppie]

A reasonable analysis however....
There was a really nasty racial undercurrent in these riots. It's never very far below the surface in Australia.

Yes that's true.
But you can find that 'nasty racial undercurrent' in almost every country with immigrants.
Almost every European country had somekind of 'racial riot' in the past.


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[valve bouncer]

The abroginals are generally treated like lowly scum by true blues as are a lot of people from asia.
Yep, pretty much the same way black people are treated in America or Europe. Sad really. Oh and you spelled it wrong N8, the correct word is "abodiginals".;)

[valve bouncer]

Yes that's true.
But you can find that 'nasty racial undercurrent' in almost every country with immigrants.
Almost every European country had somekind of 'racial riot' in the past.


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True, Australia is certainly no better or worse in that regard.

[LordOpie]

Yep, pretty much the same way black people are treated in America or Europe. Sad really. Oh and you spelled it wrong N8, the correct word is "abodiginals".;)
Yes, but aboriginals were, ya know, originally there. We brought blacks here, so it's not really the same.

[N8]

True, Australia is certainly no better or worse in that regard.


Worse in some respects.

[valve bouncer]

Worse in some respects.
Better in others.

[valve bouncer]

Yes, but aboriginals were, ya know, originally there. We brought blacks here, so it's not really the same.
Alright Native Americans then.

[Westy]

I don't understand how some people get joy out of other countries, our allies no less, having problems.

[valve bouncer]

I don't understand how some people get joy out of other countries, our allies no less, having problems.
I think it's more about giving me a hard time. Can't say I don't deserve it though.:D :thumb:

[LordOpie]

I think it's more about giving me a hard time. Can't say I don't deserve it though.:D :thumb:
Spot on. Spot on. ~ Stewie

[Reactor]

Alright Native Americans then.

I don't know how accurate it is but it strikes me how much the "school" in "rabbit proof fence" is like what missionaries and settlers did to native Americans. My grandfather was cherokee and his grandfather walked the trail of tears. On many reservations children were taken from their families, sent to missionary school and beaten whenever they spoke their native language or used native customs. The parallels are striking.

[sanjuro]

When I lived in New Orleans, I was on a date with an Australian girl. We got on the trolley and there was a large group of young Australians on board. They were loud and obnoxious, a common occurence, but they started using the N-word at full volume.

After we got off, she said how embarassed she was, that large vacationing groups can be total jerkoffs, and how she purposely kept quiet so that they wouldn't know she was also Australian.

I got the impression that Australians in general were a racist lot. It is just an impression, but stuff like this gives Australia a black eye.

[Damn True]

Yep, pretty much the same way black people are treated in America or Europe. Sad really. Oh and you spelled it wrong N8, the correct word is "abodiginals".;)

Really?

Serious quesiton here: Any Aboriginals on Oz's version of the Supreme Court? High ranking military officers? Sec-Def? Sec-State?

[Damn True]

It's the Ride True Damn Fast comedy hour!

Damn you guys have no idea sometimes. You're comparing official immigration policy on an island to a bunch of rednecks shooting at mexicans in the desert?


My commentary had nothing to do with offical govt. policy. I was talking about individal opinions on the issue.

By the "shooting at mexicans" comment I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) you are talking about the Minutemen. You ought to know that not a single shot was fired.

[Changleen]

My commentary had nothing to do with offical govt. policy. I was talking about individal opinions on the issue.Fair enough.By the "shooting at mexicans" comment I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) you are talking about the Minutemen. You ought to know that not a single shot was fired.Yes, and yeah right!

[LordOpie]

Really?

Serious quesiton here: Any Aboriginals on Oz's version of the Supreme Court? High ranking military officers? Sec-Def? Sec-State?
Good question.

[Damn True]

Yes, and yeah right!


Got proof?

[ridetoofast]

You honestly do not even have a single clue what you're talking about. It's painfully obvious you know nothing about Australia's immigration policies. One of the reasons some of those morons at Cronulla were fighting is because they think Australia's immigration policy is too liberal.

yep you're right i know nothing. i only dated an aussie lass for 6 months and have now known her for 7 years...she's never told me anything about the policies.

re read my original post again and remind me where i said anything the riots. i was speaking to your generalized post about immigration policies as a whole.

Complete bullsh*t Andy. Way more complicated than that. The only people who have anywhere near an open door policy are Kiwis because of the historical ties.

i guess the above means other people find it more difficult to get in?
and THAT is ok but if the US wants to make it more difficult that is somehow wrong?

if its ok for the 'cans to just come streaming in why can't just anyone come streaming into ozzland?

island or not you have more stringent immigration policies...
refute that please, please refute that.

oh wait your valve bouncer you can't possibly be wrong about anything.

[Changleen]

i guess the above means other people find it more difficult to get in?
and THAT is ok but if the US wants to make it more difficult that is somehow wrong?If you come in via official channels it IS pretty hard to get into the US, probably harder than into Oz. For example it would certainly be way easier for me as UK citizen to get permanent residency in Oz than the US. You're still comparing legal channels to illegal ones...

if its ok for the 'cans to just come streaming in why can't just anyone come streaming into ozzland?You're comparing almost completely different situations. The US has a screaming need for cheap labour which Mexicans are illegally filling, but does not have the political will to regulate effective policies due to the large racist voting bloc represented by people like you who can't/refuse to understand the situation and just scream stuff like 'They're taking our jobs!'. If you'd just shut up, then politicians would feel free to enable sufficient quantities of legal immigration to fulfill demand. I'm sure 99.999% of Mexicans would be quite happy, indeed happier, to enter the US legally rather than illegally. Problem solved.

On the other hand Oz has a fairly sensible immigration policy, no vast unfulfilled requirement for cheap labour (at least nothing like the scale of the US), is an island so illegal immigration is that much harder, and is having a problem based around what appear to be largely religious tensions within a very tiny minority of it's lesser educated and poorer communities. The whole thing apparantly started because Muslim immigrants were picking on scantily clad white girls for being scantily clad. White lifeguards chucked a group of such Muslims off the beach under the premis that their game of football was disturbing other beach users, the Muslims then later attacked the lifeguards and then there was the whole drunken white mob retaliation thing. Or you could go back further than that and say the partly self imposed ghettoisation of the immigrant communities lead to the development of distinct cultural groups with different life expectations. It boils down to the same thing in the end.

Do you see why you're dealing with two distinct and disimilar situations now?

[Changleen]

Got proof?Don't need any. I believe it. :p




Annoying eh? :rolleyes:

[valve bouncer]

Really?

Serious quesiton here: Any Aboriginals on Oz's version of the Supreme Court? High ranking military officers? Sec-Def? Sec-State?
Not sure but I doubt it, the marginalisation of Aboriginal people has been very effective pretty much as good as the marginalisation of native American people. Do you really want to start a pissing contest about which country is more racist True? There are plenty of skeletons in both countries.

[valve bouncer]

yep you're right i know nothing. i only dated an aussie lass for 6 months and have now known her for 7 years...she's never told me anything about the policies.

re read my original post again and remind me where i said anything the riots. i was speaking to your generalized post about immigration policies as a whole.

Complete bullsh*t Andy. Way more complicated than that. The only people who have anywhere near an open door policy are Kiwis because of the historical ties.

i guess the above means other people find it more difficult to get in?
and THAT is ok but if the US wants to make it more difficult that is somehow wrong?

if its ok for the 'cans to just come streaming in why can't just anyone come streaming into ozzland?

island or not you have more stringent immigration policies...
refute that please, please refute that.

oh wait your valve bouncer you can't possibly be wrong about anything.
So tell me about the policies then. I'll give you a start, there are essentially three components.

Now talking about illegal immigrants then the way the Australian government treats them is awful and an embarrassment to me and other Australians. Of course a frother like you would completely support it, I'm sure you'd even support blowing their boats out of the water.

[Damn True]

Not sure but I doubt it, the marginalisation of Aboriginal people has been very effective pretty much as good as the marginalisation of native American people. Do you really want to start a pissing contest about which country is more racist True? There are plenty of skeletons in both countries.


Not trying start anything but a discussion. I don't keep close tabs on cabinet level positions in other countries so I was asking.

Did a quick Google....and as for Native Americans in our Govt.....wow, there are more of them than I had thought.

Charles Curtis (Kaw Indian) and VP of the US in the 20's.
Ben Reifel (Souix Indian) US House of Rep's.
Senator (and Cheyanne Indian) Ben "Nighthorse" Campbell.(that one I knew)

[valve bouncer]

Not trying start anything but a discussion. I don't keep close tabs on cabinet level positions in other countries so I was asking.

Did a quick Google....and as for Native Americans in our Govt.....wow, there are more of them than I had thought.

Charles Curtis (Kaw Indian) and VP of the US in the 20's.
Ben Reifel (Souix Indian) US House of Rep's.
Senator (and Cheyanne Indian) Ben "Nighthorse" Campbell.(that one I knew)
Aden Ridgeway is the only Aboriginal in federal parliament. The only other Aborigine to ever serve in federal parliament was Neville Bonner. Representation at state level is slightly better but still not what you'd call good. Aborigines are only about 3% of the population so it's hard for them to achieve effective political representation.

[Changleen]

So:

3/250M for Native Americans, and 1/23M for Aboriginals. The Aboriginals are over-represented man! :D

[sanjuro]

I should point that America has a horrible record with indigenous people and African immigrants, but we have dealt with this problems for the last 200 years, and I think we are getting better.

I just chuckle at Euro and Australian countries who are going through these problems now.

[Changleen]

I should point that America has a horrible record with indigenous people and African immigrants, but we have dealt with this problems for the last 200 years, and I think we are getting better.

I just chuckle at Euro and Australian countries who are going through these problems now.
:rolleyes: Yeah because Europe was ethnically static before today...

[scurban]

[QUOTE=Changleen]If you come in via official channels it IS pretty hard to get into the US, probably harder than into Oz. For example it would certainly be way easier for me as UK citizen to get permanent residency in Oz than the US. You're still comparing legal channels to illegal ones...

You're comparing almost completely different situations. The US has a screaming need for cheap labour which Mexicans are illegally filling, but does not have the political will to regulate effective policies due to the large racist voting bloc represented by people like you who can't/refuse to understand the situation and just scream stuff like 'They're taking our jobs!'. If you'd just shut up, then politicians would feel free to enable sufficient quantities of legal immigration to fulfill demand. I'm sure 99.999% of Mexicans would be quite happy, indeed happier, to enter the US legally rather than illegally. Problem solved.
QUOTE]
:stupid:

oddly enough a lagre percentage of dairy workers in Nebraska are illegal mexicans. Recently the US gov't stepped in and made a few requirements for dairy farms that would make it nearly impossible to hire illegal immegrants. Shortly there after a lot of Nebraska politicians, and major political contributors from that state fired back saying "thanks for the help, but NO THANKS" and ultimately the US Fed Gov stepped out of the whole situation.

The US economy is dependent on illegal mexican labor. Employers don't have to pay for all the benefits they need to pay legal employees, obviously benefits are out of the question which on average costs a company right around $300 per month per employee (cost goes up with dependents claimed by each employee) and they don't have to pay taxes. Major US companies would have to up prices to cover increased budgets if illegal help were no longer allowed. The few companies surviving this would increase prices to consumers causeing major chaos (think of the headlines) . Whats really needed is a "work exchange program" so to speak.

[Changleen]

My personal opinion, and it's one I haven't thought through very much is that one thing the entire American continent should adopt from Europe would be free movement of Labour. Make sure everyone has a passport and allow them to work in any American country. The situation is different though, especially wrt social conditions and attitudes and this will obviosly have an effect.

For sure there would be massive resistance to this idea in the US and people would scream that there will be a flood of poor people to the US, but in Europe where we also have massive disparities in wages and incomes, this hasn't happened. Other than Republicans people don't act in black and white landslides.

In effect the market has sorted itself out. There are occasional blips as too many people move from one place to another to fill a particular need, but these soon sort themselves out. London is a great example. Despite having huge immigrant populations there are no swathes of unemployables. People know the deal after so long, and to a great extent (I'm not saying it's perfect) demand for unskilled workers is met but not exceeded to a point where it is a negative factor for the city.

[scurban]

I see your point, but our wellfare programs would seriously suck the economy dry if that were to take place. Not to mention cause huge hikes in Medical expences. With our current system, medical care is already very expensive, it's hard to get good insurance, and even if you do have good insurance, it doesn't always cover everything you may need. 1 of the major contributing factors to this is the expense of taking care of illegal wokers, and their families. Let's face it, the work illegal's do is often very physical, and dangerous. They get hurt, they go to the doctor, they get treated, then they can disappear seeing that they are illegal, and they never pay their bills. In addition we have a huge and well documented problem with people (citizens and illegals both) bringing family members in from outside the country, taking them to the hospital, getting them the care the need, then sending them back home. Never paying the bill. The cost of this care is shifted to all of the people that actually pay their bills. Which your average middle class person will struggle to afford. Again, there are certainly other factors that are causeing hikes in medical care in the US, but this is a huge problem. We'd need a major revision in health care, and welfare before we could adopt a free movement of labor program.

[ohio]

1 of the major contributing factors to this is the expense of taking care of illegal wokers, and their families. Let's face it, the work illegal's do is often very physical, and dangerous. They get hurt, they go to the doctor, they get treated, then they can disappear seeing that they are illegal, and they never pay their bills.

And if they were legal, their employers would be required to purchase medical insurance for them and pay a living wage, thus reducing (though not eliminating) this major drain on taxpayer money.

It's the employers of illegals that are most interested in preventing legal immigration. They've just managed to convince a whole lot of other people to "keep out the dirty, lazy, Mexicans."

[valve bouncer]

Cool!!!! This thread has become centred on Mexicans jumping the border. I'm still waiting for Andy to talk to his friend from page 1. BTW Andy your mate was half right.

[Changleen]

Having personally hired Mexicans for casual labour whilst living in AZ, I can testifty that Mexicans are anything but lazy.

[Westy]

Having personally hired Mexicans for casual labour whilst living in AZ, I can testifty that Mexicans are anything but lazy.

Customer I have been working with has mainly Mexicans working in manufacturing. All the management and engineer types are your Euro-types. The guys in manufacturing are the hardest working sharpest people in the company, more proof that a degree means little if the name on he paper is of a dumbass.

[Damn True]

And if they were legal, their employers would be required to purchase medical insurance for them and pay a living wage, thus reducing (though not eliminating) this major drain on taxpayer money.

It's the employers of illegals that are most interested in preventing legal immigration. They've just managed to convince a whole lot of other people to "keep out the dirty, lazy, Mexicans."

Only 1/2 the story. The reason why we will likely never have a solution to the problem is this.

Big companies such as Agricorporations depend on cheap, often illegal labor. Those guys are bros with the (R) side and therefore they will not push to stop illegal immigration.

While at the same time, the (D) side likes to have underprivledged types who are dependant to some degree on govt. programs (like continued free health care and public education for illegals that they support) to bloster their voting base. So they will not do anything to stop illegal immigration.

[ohio]

While at the same time, the (D) side likes to have underprivledged types who are dependant to some degree on govt. programs (like continued free health care and public education for illegals that they support) to bloster their voting base. So they will not do anything to stop illegal immigration.

You'll have to explain to me how illegals (who, need I point out, can't vote) are bolstering a voting base.

It's also ridiculous to think the democrats actually LIKE having people dependent on the government, just because they disagree with the approaches of the republicans who HATE people that are dependent on the government.

[fluff]

Does anyone else not find it strange that people employed in the best interests of the US economy are not entitled to any of the benefits of the US citizen?

Oh and getting this topic back on track, why is everyone surprised at racism in Australia, after all it's just South Africa but where the white man won.

[DaveW]

For example it would certainly be way easier for me as UK citizen to get permanent residency in Oz than the US. You're still comparing legal channels to illegal ones...


That would be due to historical ties... They have the same head of state and are part of the "comonwealth"

[Changleen]

That would be due to historical ties... They have the same head of state and are part of the "comonwealth"Really? You know being from the UK I never heard of the Commonwealth before. Do explain more. :rolleyes:

[Reactor]

Having personally hired Mexicans for casual labour whilst living in AZ, I can testifty that Mexicans are anything but lazy.


Quite true. I hired a company to pull up a tree and get rid of some cuttings, and they arrived with half a dozen mexicans, and worked their tails off. I gave the group a big tip and they said "Ahhh... corona's!!"

[LordOpie]

so mexicans are alcoholics?

[Reactor]

so mexicans are alcoholics?


No more than anyone else. I took it to mean they were thankful for and looking forward to a cool brew after a hard day of work. It was only about 105f out.

[N8]

Quite true. I hired a company to pull up a tree and get rid of some cuttings, and they arrived with half a dozen mexicans, and worked their tails off. I gave the group a big tip and they said "Ahhh... corona's!!"


I am sure they said, "Pinche gringo."

[ummbikes]

I am sure they said, "Pinche gringo."


Good one!

[MMike]

so mexicans are alcoholics?

Every single one of them!!

And they have taco-flavoured kisses....
http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/9374843/1650216

[narlus]

no one's commented yet about the guy in the pic sanjuro posted (brown shirt)...he's got his priorities right. while delivering the beatdown, he hasn't let go of his beer.