banning christmas [Archive]

TheMontashu

12-02-2005, 12:07 AM

manimal

12-02-2005, 02:02 AM

i was wondering the same thing. even good 'ole walmart has denounced "christmas" and is replacing it with "happy holidays".

can't say it's a surprise though. just another step in a long line of things to come.

valve bouncer

12-02-2005, 06:16 AM

manimal

12-02-2005, 07:17 AM

yup, i miss the days when we were doing the repressing :rolleyes: ;)

Ciaran

12-02-2005, 09:19 AM

Merry Christmas!

I love christmas. And no PC hippy bull **** is gonna make me stop wishing people a Merry Freaking Christmas Bitch!!!! :D

My point being that people are idiots.

MTB_Rob_NC

12-02-2005, 09:24 AM

Angus

12-02-2005, 09:30 AM

Why? Because as an employer you cannot discriminate against your employees. If you have a non Christian and they feel left out, not part of the team [insert all other bs] whatever they could claim they are in a hostile work environment. Better to just be vague, then take the chance

How are they being left out, it's not like its a paid Holiday only for Christians, if a Company recognizes Christmas they extend the benefits to all, could you imagine a posting on the jobsite: Attention all Hindu's,Muslim's, Athiest's,Hebrew's and any other non christian sect please report to work on Dec. 25 as normal.....

Tenchiro

12-02-2005, 09:33 AM

I just want to take this moment to wish everyone a "happy non-denominational winter holiday"!

Angus

12-02-2005, 09:37 AM

This is so badly and sadly getting out of hand, I have friends of all kinds of denominations, and I don't take offense of Yom Kippur, when my Jewish friends bring it up, I have a friend that is wiccan (it's not my thing) but I don't try and stifle them when they talk about winter solstice.

We should all be allowed to express our religous feelings, if someone says Merry Christmas, and thats not your bag whats wrong with just saying thank you and leave it at that. When I'm greeted with "Shalom" I don't retort by saying Christ died for your sins. I just smile .
When someone says Merry Christmas it's not like they are going to drag you to midnite mass, so just lighten up , all of us!

LordOpie

12-02-2005, 09:38 AM

I'm gonna put a Star of David on top of my tree and call it a Chanukah Bush.

Tenchiro

12-02-2005, 09:42 AM

I'm gonna put a Star of David on top of my tree and call it a Chanukah Bush.

Is that a thinly veiled reference to your penis?

kidwoo

12-02-2005, 10:24 AM

"Banned" Christmas???

Quit your whining before I make you my jew.

WheelieMan

12-02-2005, 10:33 AM

The word "holiday" should be banned as well, seeing as it is a reference to a "holy day".

What bothers me the most is the fuss about the "holiday tree" at the White House. Either you call it a Christmas tree, or you don't have one at all. Even the most liberal atheists that I know are not stupid enough to call it anything other than a Christmas tree.

Tenchiro

12-02-2005, 10:35 AM

kidwoo

12-02-2005, 10:38 AM

Ahem, "non-denominational winter festivity centerpiece"

That's a lot o' spellin' for the toothless flannels that sell trees behind the chainlink round here.

LordOpie

12-02-2005, 10:39 AM

"Banned" Christmas???

Quit your whining before I make you my jew.
And you know what he makes his jew do... yup, dig through the couch looking for change.

reflux

12-02-2005, 10:40 AM

I'd like to wish all of you a happy festivus!

Slugman

12-02-2005, 10:41 AM

There was a report about a Lowes in Texas that was selling "Holiday Trees"...

WTF - Are there actually people out there who do not celebrate Christmas, but are buying the trees?!??!?

fluff

12-02-2005, 10:41 AM

"Banned" Christmas???

Quit your whining before I make you my jew.

Jew lookin' at me?

kidwoo

12-02-2005, 10:44 AM

Jew lookin' at me?

Sorry if his staring is bothering you. I'll discipline him.

MTB_Rob_NC

12-02-2005, 10:50 AM

How are they being left out, it's not like its a paid Holiday only for Christians, if a Company recognizes Christmas they extend the benefits to all, could you imagine a posting on the jobsite: ..

It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with providing a non discriminatory work place environment. Not favoring one group over the other.

I am not trying to defend it, IMHO it fails any kind of common sense test, but whatever, that is the reasoning.

fluff

12-02-2005, 10:51 AM

Sorry if his staring is bothering you. I'll discipline him.
And tell him to stop threatening my garden early in the morning.

fluff

12-02-2005, 10:52 AM

Sheesh, it's a pagan festival hijacked by the early christian church anyway. Who cares, let's get drunk.

valve bouncer

12-02-2005, 10:57 AM

And you know what he makes his jew do... yup, dig through the couch looking for change.
OK stifled guffaw. Yes very good, I'm still not giving you Partsbara's address when he moves to Colorado.;)

LordOpie

12-02-2005, 10:59 AM

WTF - Are there actually people out there who do not celebrate Christmas, but are buying the trees?!??!?
define celebrate.

I do not observe x-mas, but I do 'celebrate' it sometimes. My family used to put up a tree and decorate it cuz it's fun. I like to drive around and look at the lights also.

LordOpie

12-02-2005, 11:01 AM

Sheesh, it's a pagan festival hijacked by the early christian church anyway. Who cares, let's get drunk.
Amen!

OK stifled guffaw. Yes very good, I'm still not giving you Partsbara's address when he moves to Colorado.;)
So, a blow-job is out of the question then?

fluff

12-02-2005, 11:02 AM

Amen!

So, a blow-job is out of the question then?

Go on VB, apparently his cum tastes of a caffeinated drink...

LordOpie

12-02-2005, 11:05 AM

and I eat pineapple.

sanjuro

12-02-2005, 11:36 AM

I have noticed many stores not saying merry Christmas in stores, with many groups campaigning against Christmas in public. I do not get why people are so offended about an OFFICIAL holiday. Second stores are not the government and such places as stores and home do not violate separation of church and state laws. I am starting to get quite angry with this, and I’m Jewish. I like Christmas and love seeing decorations, as well as the Christmas spirit. Why are people so offended by a holiday?
Are you still hurt that the rest of your co-workers are getting Christmas bonuses but you're getting nothing because our shop doesn't give out Hannakuh bonuses?

valve bouncer

12-02-2005, 12:14 PM

Go on VB, apparently his cum tastes of a caffeinated drink...
I'm still wondering what the question is.

kidwoo

12-02-2005, 12:15 PM

It's a war on holidays

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512010010

Even fux news done it................and then changed it back:rolleyes:

Opie: you offended?

Andyman_1970

12-02-2005, 12:24 PM

When I'm greeted with "Shalom" I don't retort by saying Christ died for your sins.

Actually those two statement are intimately related to one another...............

Andyman_1970

12-02-2005, 12:28 PM

Sheesh, it's a pagan festival hijacked by the early christian church anyway.

Yep the 12 days of Christmas were orginally the celebration of the birth of Caesar Augustus who proclaimed he was the "prince of peace". It's not like Christmas is a high holiday or anything sheesssssshhhhh..........

LordOpie

12-02-2005, 12:48 PM

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512010010

Opie: you offended?

Every right minded human should be offended by an O'Reilly christmas ornament.

Yep the 12 days of Christmas were orginally the celebration of the birth of Caesar Augustus who proclaimed he was the "prince of peace". It's not like Christmas is a high holiday or anything sheesssssshhhhh..........
nor is chanukah.

Is kwanza?

Almost seems like the December holidays are more for fun, family, and sharing than anything else?

Zark

12-02-2005, 12:59 PM

Happy season of lacing corporate wallets. Shouldn't y'all be shopping?

Slugman

12-02-2005, 01:31 PM

Almost seems like the December holidays are more for fun, family, and sharing than anything else?

I personally think it's to combat winter depression... longer nights, colder days, etc.

Why else would most of the celebration's roots be based in the northern hemisphere...

Silver

12-02-2005, 02:34 PM

I personally think it's to combat winter depression... longer nights, colder days, etc.

Why else would most of the celebration's roots be based in the northern hemisphere...

I have no idea if this is right, but maybe the fact that nothing is growing in the fields? Good time to have a party, right?

TheMontashu

12-03-2005, 12:40 AM

"Banned" Christmas???

Quit your whining before I make you my jew.
Sorry kidwoo I'm already claimed

TheMontashu

12-03-2005, 12:43 AM

Are you still hurt that the rest of your co-workers are getting Christmas bonuses but you're getting nothing because our shop doesn't give out Hannakuh bonuses?
Not at all it's a christian country, I want the Xmass bonus.

blt2ride

12-03-2005, 01:03 AM

I'm really not too sure when it happened, but saying Merry Christmas has become "politically incorrect." Since I work in HR, I had to "train" myself to say "happy holidays," or have a "great holiday season." It's kind of lame, but it is what it is...

Happy Holidays to everyone...see I have been brainwashed!

Changleen

12-03-2005, 02:13 AM

We still get the time off work, and religion is acknowledged by fewer. Great! :thumb:

Reactor

12-03-2005, 11:39 AM

I work in an organization that's allegedly impartial. We have a policy against the open display of religious symbols, including mentioning any specific event such as Christmas, Chanukah, Kwanzaa, Vesak, Hanamatsuri, Yule, Beltane, Lughnasadh, Ostara, Imbloc, Samhain, Diwali, Gudhi padwa......et. al.

The holiday season has several major holidays for several major religions. Why should Christians be allowed to hold it preempt everyone else's holiday? I know someone is going to make a point about the US being a Christian country....They had better check their US census data. Active Christians (defined as people going to church or other religious meetings once or more in the last six months) are now a the largest minority. There are significant numbers of Agnostic(religiously inactive), Atheists, Jews, and Muslims in the US, and millions of people who are Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Sikh or other religions. Why should they have Christmas shoved down their throats?

I 've actually had to explain by using an example: How would you feel if you went to court, and everyone on the jury, and every court staff member was wearing a Muslim holy symbol? How would you feel if you worked at a place the celebrated all the Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, Buddhist or other religions holidays but didn't even mention yours? Would you be upset if you were required to work Christmas and were required to take day off during Ramadan? My organization has a policy that allows employees to swap holidays off, if it is convenient for the organization. Otherwise you are SOL. I take Christmas off as a Commercial holiday, not a religious one.

Why worry? Just have a good time with your family and friends, and be happy you are getting time off from the daily grind. Just let people be and celebrate your chosen holiday or mental health day in peace.

Changleen

12-03-2005, 04:31 PM

Yeah. Just enjoy the holiday, and you want to pretend it's significant in some way other than commercially, go right ahead.

narlus

12-03-2005, 04:32 PM

I just want to take this moment to wish everyone a "happy non-denominational winter holiday"!

so typical...what about the hurt feelings of the numerators?

Changleen

12-03-2005, 04:33 PM

Yes we need to more careful about what fractions of the community we address! :D

ioscope

12-03-2005, 04:36 PM

I hate politically correct bull****. People need to get a ****ing grip if they can't handle god is a he and christmas exists, and **** you.

formermtboarder

12-03-2005, 04:48 PM

im a liberal atheist, yet i see no problem w/ religious holidays
i dont despise religion-its just not my thing

i say blame the -southern baptist (for ruining halloween)
o and the mormons for generally being whores and knocking on my door early in the morning

i enjoy simply celebrateing the season and a general show of kindness from everyone around me so Happy Season of Peace and a merry christmas (for all that it CAN represent)

BuddhaRoadkill

12-03-2005, 08:14 PM

This year my family is strictly following our German Traditions. I hope the neighbors don't mind. :devil:

"Among early Germanic tribes the Yule tradition was celebrated by sacrificing male animals, and slaves, by suspending them on the branches of trees."

from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Tree#Name_controversy)

Old Man G Funk

12-05-2005, 05:54 AM

I have noticed many stores not saying merry Christmas in stores, with many groups campaigning against Christmas in public. I do not get why people are so offended about an OFFICIAL holiday. Second stores are not the government and such places as stores and home do not violate separation of church and state laws. I am starting to get quite angry with this, and I’m Jewish. I like Christmas and love seeing decorations, as well as the Christmas spirit. Why are people so offended by a holiday?
As much as I like getting this holiday off from work, I don't think we should get it off. It is a violation of the separation of church and state to have xmas as an "OFFICIAL" holiday. If the gov. wants to give everyone one floating "OFFICIAL" holiday per year, then it would be all right.

Old Man G Funk

12-05-2005, 05:57 AM

I personally think it's to combat winter depression... longer nights, colder days, etc.

Why else would most of the celebration's roots be based in the northern hemisphere...
The origins come from celebrating the winter solstice (northern hemisphere).

Reactor

12-05-2005, 09:43 AM

I hate politically correct bull****. People need to get a ****ing grip if they can't handle god is a he and christmas exists, and **** you.

Somebody needs to go to tolerance training. :) And be glad people other people already have.

fluff

12-05-2005, 09:50 AM

As much as I like getting this holiday off from work, I don't think we should get it off. It is a violation of the separation of church and state to have xmas as an "OFFICIAL" holiday. If the gov. wants to give everyone one floating "OFFICIAL" holiday per year, then it would be all right.

Right! That's it, I'm gonna argue with you now.

How can you say that we shouldn't get this time off? We should get this time off and more! In fact if anyone has an issue with us getting a day off for a holiday that is aligned to a Christian celebration I have a solution. Give us a day off for every other celebration connected to any and every other religion. That's fair.

Alternatively do what the Spanish do and take random days off every week.

Old Man G Funk

12-05-2005, 09:56 AM

Right! That's it, I'm gonna argue with you now.

How can you say that we shouldn't get this time off? We should get this time off and more! In fact if anyone has an issue with us getting a day off for a holiday that is aligned to a Christian celebration I have a solution. Give us a day off for every other celebration connected to any and every other religion. That's fair.

Alternatively do what the Spanish do and take random days off every week.
Oh, I'm all for time off from work, and that's why it pains me to say it, but in the interest of separation of church and state, we should not get xmas off. If they give us "a day off for every other celebration to any and every other religion" that gets closer to being equitable.