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I gotta get a new fork for my Scratch. I am looking at the '06 Marzocchi DJ2, '05-'06 Manitou Sherman Flick/Jumper, RockShox Pike, and '06 Marzocchi Z.1 Sport. I'm leaning towards the Pike Race, they ride really good and lots of simple adjusments, making it very versatile, but I'm not really familiar with the Pike's reliability or maintainece "schedule". Anyone have any experience with the Pike?
stubby
10-06-2005, 07:11 PM
buy my sherman
formermtboarder
10-06-2005, 08:40 PM
get a manitou gold, there pretty cheep and supposed to be comprable to the sherman series
travis lowers and flow internals is what i hear
formermtboarder
10-06-2005, 08:41 PM
o whoops there not on the site so check it out
www.unrealcycles.com
the owner will talk to u on aim, phone etc and give honest advise, really cool guy
motomike
10-06-2005, 08:47 PM
I gotta get a new fork for my Scratch. I am looking at the '06 Marzocchi DJ2, '05-'06 Manitou Sherman Flick/Jumper, RockShox Pike, and '06 Marzocchi Z.1 Sport. I'm leaning towards the Pike Race, they ride really good and lots of simple adjusments, making it very versatile, but I'm not really familiar with the Pike's reliability or maintainece "schedule". Anyone have any experience with the Pike?
I would recommend the fork with the shortest travel available, probably the Sherman Jumper. I don't know how long you are gonna run the 24/26 combo, but it would help "level out" the bike due to the lower rear with the 24. Plus, you mainly do herban, so you really don't need much travel. I think you are over with doing drops to flat, as I am, so travel and plushness isn't too important. I would look for something short and stiff, IMO.
I am leaning for the Pike, especially if I ever ride some "trails", and somehat for the Flick, if Jenson still has it for the price they do in the next few weeks. The Jumper is nice and all, but it's really expensive and lacks features and adjustments.
motomike
10-07-2005, 03:59 PM
I am leaning for the Pike, especially if I ever ride some "trails", and somehat for the Flick, if Jenson still has it for the price they do in the next few weeks. The Jumper is nice and all, but it's really expensive and lacks features and adjustments.
features are highly overrated. :oink:
Kanter
10-07-2005, 08:25 PM
get a Zoke or you will be sorry
motomike
10-07-2005, 08:34 PM
he has a Zoke DJ, but it weighs 14.6 pounds.
he has a Zoke DJ, but it weighs 14.6 pounds.
Hahaha. It sure feels like it, but it's still a porky 7.3 pounds for a 4" travel SC fork! I'm going for the Pike as of now, your Reba rode really good and I'm sure the Pike it quite similar. Does your Reba have the External Floodgate adjustment? If so, is it useful at all? If I decide to do something else, I'll probably go with one of the new Dirt Jumper 2's. They are a good pound and a half lighter than the one I have, and have external preload, rebound and compression adjusments.
motomike
10-08-2005, 09:45 PM
Hahaha. It sure feels like it, but it's still a porky 7.3 pounds for a 4" travel SC fork! I'm going for the Pike as of now, your Reba rode really good and I'm sure the Pike it quite similar. Does your Reba have the External Floodgate adjustment? If so, is it useful at all? If I decide to do something else, I'll probably go with one of the new Dirt Jumper 2's. They are a good pound and a half lighter than the one I have, and have external preload, rebound and compression adjusments.
Yes it has the floodgate and compression lockout, but I have no use for either of the two...
stubby
10-08-2005, 10:51 PM
good lord, my forty weighs less than ur dirtjumper, a half pound less, 6.7 lbs,
yeah sherman jumpers are good, the golds look pretty sweet as well though, but i have no experience with them, just sherman.
good lord, my forty weighs less than ur dirtjumper, a half pound less, 6.7 lbs,
yeah sherman jumpers are good, the golds look pretty sweet as well though, but i have no experience with them, just sherman.
Yeah, 40's are pretty light. The Sherman on my Gemini weigh's in at 5.4 pounds, oh yeah!
seismic
10-09-2005, 08:10 AM
I know it was not a choice, but what about the Fox 36 ??
I know it was not a choice, but what about the Fox 36 ??
Dude, you read my mind. That would be the DREAM fork to run on my bike, but it's A LOT of cash for a bike that is going to get the piss beaten out of it. Simply, it's just A LOT of cash. I think the brand new Pike's sell for about $375-$425, versus about $800 for the 36.
seismic
10-09-2005, 01:34 PM
Dude, you read my mind. That would be the DREAM fork to run on my bike, but it's A LOT of cash for a bike that is going to get the piss beaten out of it. Simply, it's just A LOT of cash. I think the brand new Pike's sell for about $375-$425, versus about $800 for the 36.
I know, it is a lot of money :dead:
Yeah, just a little. I wouls consider dropping that cash if i only had one bike to take care of one bike, but I've got the Scratch and the Gemini that I have to keep working, and a limited flow of income.
get a manitou gold, there pretty cheep and supposed to be comprable to the sherman series
travis lowers and flow internals is what i hear
Oooohhhhh, now I see what you are talking about. I might have to look into that............
Anyone know anything about the new Manitou Gold Series forks? How are they compared to the new Dirt Jumpers?
OGRipper
10-12-2005, 12:09 PM
I had nothing but unsatisfctory experience with manitou '04 minute and '05 sherman flirefly, they both leaked oil on the rebound side (BOTH came with a crushed o-ring), the rebound damper on the firefly BROKE inside the fork, and the travel feels like poo with the spv. I've already sold the minute and am shopping for a replacement for the Sherman. Also, a friend who has a sherman jumper is getting lots of creaks from the crown area, which is pretty scary. I don't mean to be so harsh on manitou, they have always been pretty good about warranty and other CS, but still, it comes down to the ride and they leave me wanting something else. The newer forks are supposed to be better, just wanted you to know my experience. If you insist on thru-axle look at the pike or zoke, but if you could live with QR, check out a Fox float or vanilla, lots of people love 'em for DJ and "herban" (which, by the way, is pretty damn funny). :thumb:
Really...??? I have had nothing but a FANTASTIC experience with Manitou. I have an '04 Sherman Breakout Plus and it kicks ass, as well as an '04 Swinger 4-Way rear shock. I like the stiffness of thru-axle, and the durability of them for urban riding, but having a QR fork isn't a big deal. The problem is that I beat the **** out of my forks, and a Float or a Vanilla isn;t going to cut it. If I was going to buy a Fox, it would be a 36 Van or Talas, but they are WAY too much money. The new Zoke DJ's are lighter this year and the time that I have spent on Sherman's has been nothing but excellent. I do say though, that Manitou's do seem to be hit or miss forks, and Marzocchi is the only manufacturer that people don't seem to have problems with.
formermtboarder
10-12-2005, 07:58 PM
I had nothing but unsatisfctory experience with manitou '04 minute and '05 sherman flirefly, they both leaked oil on the rebound side (BOTH came with a crushed o-ring), the rebound damper on the firefly BROKE inside the fork, and the travel feels like poo with the spv. I've already sold the minute and am shopping for a replacement for the Sherman. Also, a friend who has a sherman jumper is getting lots of creaks from the crown area, which is pretty scary. I don't mean to be so harsh on manitou, they have always been pretty good about warranty and other CS, but still, it comes down to the ride and they leave me wanting something else. The newer forks are supposed to be better, just wanted you to know my experience. If you insist on thru-axle look at the pike or zoke, but if you could live with QR, check out a Fox float or vanilla, lots of people love 'em for DJ and "herban" (which, by the way, is pretty damn funny). :thumb:
i couldnt disagree more, ive completely abused my '03 firefly iI GOT USED and ridden it on the 110mm climbing setting more than any other and its fine, no creaking etc.
my super cheap 150mm flick plus has also stood up to my abuse on my ht at downhill and FR, i admit the 110mm setting is destroyed, but thats the only problem. I used it for dirt jumping on the 110 which kinda ripped out the lock out thingy. But the 150mm setting is just as good as normal, no troubles there.
the only zoke fork ive had is the exr comp-needless to say a piece or crap, but it was sturdy and hel;d up till i could afford a new one.
my advice is to talk to the unrealcycles.com guy, if u have aim IM him and ask questions, hes really useful and honest, if u dont call him up. its all on his website (aim is unrealcycles) under contacts
motomike
10-12-2005, 08:03 PM
i couldnt disagree more, ive completely abused my '03 firefly iI GOT USED and ridden it on the 110mm climbing setting more than any other and its fine, no creaking etc.
my super cheap 150mm flick plus has also stood up to my abuse on my ht at downhill and FR, i admit the 110mm setting is destroyed, but thats the only problem. I used it for dirt jumping on the 110 which kinda ripped out the lock out thingy. But the 150mm setting is just as good as normal, no troubles there.
the only zoke fork ive had is the exr comp-needless to say a piece or crap, but it was sturdy and hel;d up till i could afford a new one.
my advice is to talk to the unrealcycles.com guy, if u have aim IM him and ask questions, hes really useful and honest, if u dont call him up. its all on his website (aim is unrealcycles) under contacts
Like they said, it's hit and miss. I had a minute that I couldn't stand because of the crappy noises it made. so did a co-worker of mine...
*you should come out here sometime soon, it's lookin sweet!
gastro
10-12-2005, 09:11 PM
I wouls consider dropping that cash if i only had one bike to take care of one bike, but I've got the Scratch and the Gemini that I have to keep working, and a limited flow of income.
Boy, that sounds like serious hardship - two nice bikes to maintain.
I feel your pain. :p
Boy, that sounds like serious hardship - two nice bikes to maintain.
I feel your pain. :p
Hahaha. The Scratch is no big deal because there's nothing to break. The Gemini always needs something because of me bailing on it or not being as careful as I should be while riding stuff, like slamming derailleurs on skinny stuff downtown. And because I don't really have a job, so I've gotta beg the parents for parts.
..........That is, until I acquire a job.
wydopen
10-16-2005, 01:22 PM
i like my nixon converted to spring...still less than 5lbs..
Grizzle
10-16-2005, 01:51 PM
i would be wary of running a shock like the pike, rockshox forks are hell to rebuild. That is the only fork next to a cannondale lefty that you actually have to send back to the manufacturer to rebuild. I have rebuild rockshox, marzocchis, fox's, manitous, and others, and the rockshox was defintaly the worst as far as a maintainance standpoint. I would get either the marzocchis or the manitous, they are simple, and reliable.
i would be wary of running a shock like the pike, rockshox forks are hell to rebuild. That is the only fork next to a cannondale lefty that you actually have to send back to the manufacturer to rebuild. I have rebuild rockshox, marzocchis, fox's, manitous, and others, and the rockshox was defintaly the worst as far as a maintainance standpoint. I would get either the marzocchis or the manitous, they are simple, and reliable.
I really like the feel of the Sherman's and would love to have a Jumper, but they are expensive. Then again, so are the new Marzocchi DJ's. I'm really leaning towards one tof the new Manitou Gold Labels, because I believe that they have the Travis lowers and Stance or Sherman internals.
formermtboarder
10-16-2005, 08:31 PM
get a gold chase, cause i wanna ride one
get a gold chase, cause i wanna ride one
I will Buck, I will for you...........
.....but not in a gay way.
formermtboarder
10-17-2005, 07:18 PM
r u really gonna get one?
u should, im gonna drop my firefly to 100mm for my roscoe (2 more weeks or so!!!)
what size fork u gonna run on the scratch? 100mm? 80 mm?
r u really gonna get one?
u should, im gonna drop my firefly to 100mm for my roscoe (2 more weeks or so!!!)
what size fork u gonna run on the scratch? 100mm? 80 mm?
Probably, within the next month. 80mm would be cool, but I don't know if that will effect the DJ capabilities negatively. The 100mm would definitely be more versatile, I think. I'll either run dual 26" wheels or dual 24" wheels, mainly the 24's for urban and 26" for DJ's. I think a 24" in the back and 26" in the front would slacken the head angle a bit too much.
motomike
10-17-2005, 08:13 PM
...and just when I thought this thread had died...
get a manitou gold, there pretty cheep and supposed to be comprable to the sherman series
travis lowers and flow internals is what i hear
if you want adjustability stay away from the gold. it is a oil and coil shock no air adjustment. good fork other than that though
formermtboarder
10-17-2005, 08:40 PM
roll dual twenty-foahs w/ me!
fattyfat1
10-18-2005, 05:05 AM
i got a drop off triple ill sell ya . tough as hell, plus, wasn't it like just three years ago it was cool to run a triple clamp fork on a hardtail?big fork w/24" wheels and three inch tires.... urban huck machine!hhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa!
...and just when I thought this thread had died...
....Sorry Mike.....
if you want adjustability stay away from the gold. it is a oil and coil shock no air adjustment. good fork other than that though
Rebound is all you need really. If you get a fork with lots of adjustments, it's just more internals to f*ck up. You can always adjust spring rates and oil heights to change the feel.
motomike
10-18-2005, 09:27 AM
I am leaning for the Pike, especially if I ever ride some "trails", and somehat for the Flick, if Jenson still has it for the price they do in the next few weeks. The Jumper is nice and all, but it's really expensive and lacks features and adjustments.
Rebound is all you need really. If you get a fork with lots of adjustments, it's just more internals to f*ck up. You can always adjust spring rates and oil heights to change the feel.
:think: :think: ;)
:think: :think: ;)
You're right Mike, I do tend to change my mind quite often. The more I ride my Dirt Jumper 3, which has only air preload, the more I find that adjustments are often overrated, especially on a jump/urban bike. I never play with the adjustments on my Gemini, which has tons, and occasionally play around with the rebound damping a little bit, since the Gemini does see much varying terrain, but that's about it.
wydopen
10-22-2005, 03:51 PM
[QUOTE=WKC]I find that adjustments are often overrated, especially on a jump/urban bike. I never play with the adjustments on my Gemini, which has tonsQUOTE]
you should...
you should...
No, you don't understand. I have the bike tuned for my current riding style. Should that change due to myself or terrain then I will play with the adjustments.
sbabuser
10-23-2005, 10:59 PM
No, you don't understand. I have the bike tuned for my current riding style. Should that change due to myself or terrain then I will play with the adjustments.
I don't mess w/ the blowoff adjustment much, but I do vary the travel and compression damping when switching from dj to trail mode. Love the fork. Changed the oil and spring in it, both of which were no more difficult than any other brand fork I've owned.
wydopen
10-24-2005, 02:22 PM
No, you don't understand. I have the bike tuned for my current riding style. Should that change due to myself or terrain then I will play with the adjustments.
u said u only play w/ rebound...that dosnt really cut it as far as adjustments per terrain go..
u said u only play w/ rebound...that dosnt really cut it as far as adjustments per terrain go..
Can you read?
I said that I occasionally play with the rebound. The setup I have right now works perfectly for everything I ride it on around here. If I go ride downhill in the mountains or Snowshoe or something like that, then I toy with all the adjustments, but I rarely do that anyway. You don't ALWAYS have to be adjusting your suspension dude, occasionally you can ride your bike without having to mess with it.
wydopen
10-24-2005, 05:45 PM
your scratch mabye..
your scratch mabye..
That's what I'm getting a new fork for. :nuts:
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