Post Katrina Observations from a Resident of MS [Archive]

09-21-2005, 02:34 PM

Pretty much sums it up....

FROM A McCOMB, MISSISSIPPI RESIDENT
Via email

WHAT I HAVE SEEN SINCE KATRINA:

The poor and the wealthy hurt by the storm.

Black, white, Hispanic, Oriental and Indian all hurt by the storm.

Christian people giving, giving, giving.

Churches going all out to minister in Jesus' name.

Neighbors going door to door helping one another.

Thugs and hoodlums going door to door looking for someone vulnerable.

Ice and water being fought over as police tried to keep the peace.

People coming up from New Orleans taking over empty houses because shelters are full.

Out of town volunteers coming with food and staying for now a week still serving it.

The Churches all over this part of the country doing what Christians do in a crisis.

The Red Cross doing a great job in the shelters.

The Salvation Army doing a great job in the community.

Four Hundred crewman from everywhere bringing back the power to our homes, churches and businesses.

Lines at service stations a block to a mile long.

National Guardsman patrolling the streets of Mc Comb along with Kentucky policemen protecting us from the hoodlums and thugs of Mc Comb, Pike County and New Orleans (the most dangerous city in the world before Katrina.)

Drug dealers working outside shelters.

Doctors, nurses and other hospital personnel working tirelessly, even sleeping in the hospital to do the job God called them to do.

WHAT I HAVE NOT SEEN SINCE KATRINA:

The ACLU setting up a feeding line.

People for the American Way helping in the shelters.

The NAACP doing any work whatsoever.

The American Atheist organization serving meals in the shelters.

Jesse Jackson directing traffic at the gas stations.

I could go on but you get my message. Its the Christian people with love and compassion who do the work.

The gripers in Congress should come on down and get in line to pass the water and the ice. Are you listening Hillary, Chuck, Teddy and all the sorry loafers we call Senators and Congressmen? They don't have a clue as to what this life is all about here on the Gulf Coast.

Boy do I feel better now.

A McComb Resident

ridetoofast

09-21-2005, 02:41 PM

good post n8

where is jesse?
where is the naacp?

those are really good questions...

LOOnatic

09-21-2005, 02:46 PM

good post n8

where is jesse?
where is the naacp?

those are really good questions...

They're on cumfy TV set pumping up the race card.
I swear Jesse and Al sharpton only whine,whine whine.......have never seen them actually get in the trenches ,roll up their sleeves and actually contribute in a meaningful way.

If they have then i will gladly eat my words .

Slugman

09-21-2005, 02:46 PM

Wow... so only christians are doing anything.

Nice troll...

Zark

09-21-2005, 02:48 PM

Clearly athiests hate people and have no sympathy towards those affected:rolleyes:
Utter crap :eviltongu

09-21-2005, 02:48 PM

Wow... so only christians are doing anything.

Nice troll...

Is the American Atheist organization serving meals in the shelters???

ridetoofast

09-21-2005, 02:50 PM

proffer something to the contrary then slug...

make loonatic and myself eat some words.

prove that jj and as(s) are nothing more than charlatans.

Westy

09-21-2005, 02:50 PM

Where was Jesus, only sent his croanies, too good to show up himself?
Where was the NRA?
Where was the UAW?

Can go on and on with where was ____. The fact is certain organizations are set up to do this kind of releif work. It doesn't make much sense for legal defense groups to attempt such things, I am sure members from such groups donated time and money just like the technology company I work for did through other organizations such as the Red Cross. Churches have always worked to help out the communities and certainly helps that they have an "office" in every town.

I don't get the bitterness from some people about the ACLU, they have done just as much work to defend the rights of religious organizations as they have to protect separation of church and state.

Ciaran

09-21-2005, 02:52 PM

Is the American Atheist organization serving meals in the shelters???
That doesn't mean that athiests aren't helping, caring, or feeling compassion. I don't see the pope down there but that doesn't mean that catholics aren't helping.

Nice effort at a troll though.

ridetoofast

09-21-2005, 02:53 PM

the feelings i have for the aclu could be a whole 'nother thread. i was speaking specifically to jj and as(s) since they were so quick to make this racial what are THEY doing about IT?

Silver

09-21-2005, 02:54 PM

I don't get the bitterness from some people about the ACLU, they have done just as much work to defend the rights of religious organizations as they have to protect separation of church and state.

They want to let faggot child molestors run the boyscouts! Plus, Bill O'Reilly hates them. And if a man who wants to moralize (and sexually harass his employees with a loofah) doesn't like the ACLU, then I don't either!

(I don't know where these faggot child molestor scout leaders are supposed to come from though. Maybe they are going to raid the priesthood of some of their shining example of pederasty?)

H8R

09-21-2005, 02:55 PM

Why doesn't NAMBLA send Michael Jackson? Surely there are orphans down there that need help.

stinkyboy

09-21-2005, 02:55 PM

WWLD

valve bouncer

09-21-2005, 02:55 PM

Rudimentary googling shows the NAACP doing a lot.
ACLU- non seqitir
Rudimentary googling shows Jesse Jackson helping
.....and so on.
Weak N8.

Westy

09-21-2005, 02:56 PM

the feelings i have for the aclu could be a whole 'nother thread. i was speaking specifically to jj and as(s) since they were so quick to make this racial what are THEY doing about IT?

Like I said before it is a legal defense group. I am sure members donated their time and money to other releif groups such as the Red Cross. It doesn't make sense for a bunch of freaking lawyers to attempt large scale releif efforts when their are other people out who are specialists in such thing.

ridetoofast

09-21-2005, 02:57 PM

Why doesn't NAMBLA send Michael Jackson? Surely there are orphans down there that need help.

dood that is soooo wrong...but so damn funny!

09-21-2005, 03:00 PM

WWLD

STEALER!!!

:p

H8R

09-21-2005, 03:00 PM

http://www.redcross.org/article/0,1072,0_312_4552,00.html
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3338657

ridetoofast

09-21-2005, 03:03 PM

Rudimentary googling shows the NAACP doing a lot.
ACLU- non seqitir
Rudimentary googling shows Jesse Jackson helping
.....and so on.
Weak N8.

the googlin' i did shows jesse doing what jesse normally does..make a RACIAL issue out of it and call for 9/11 style compensation...

Slugman

09-21-2005, 03:16 PM

proffer something to the contrary then slug...

make loonatic and myself eat some words.

prove that jj and as(s) are nothing more than charlatans.

I didn't say anything about race... so put it back in your pants there spanky.

That doesn't mean that athiests aren't helping, caring, or feeling compassion. I don't see the pope down there but that doesn't mean that catholics aren't helping.

Nice effort at a troll though.
:stupid: exactly!

Inclag

09-21-2005, 03:21 PM

http://www.haverodwilltravel.com/images/Trolling%202.jpg

Slugman

09-21-2005, 03:40 PM

Is the American Atheist organization serving meals in the shelters???
Fist off...why the hell does such an organization even exist? Do they get together to talk abot how they DONT beleive in god? That's just F'ing silly.

But anyway, 5 seconds on google and I found it - and they are helping out too... http://www.atheists.org/

Changleen

09-21-2005, 03:43 PM

This forum is getting retarded.

H8R

09-21-2005, 03:43 PM

" GOOD MORNING AMERICA WEEKEND HOST GIVES "MY APOLOGIES," PROMISES ON AIR RETRACTION FOR "NO ATHEISTS IN FOXHOLES OR HURRICANE ZONES" REMARK"

http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/weir2.htm

:D

H8R

09-21-2005, 03:44 PM

This forum is getting retarded.

And you just showed up.

Coincidence?

:blah:

Westy

09-21-2005, 03:45 PM

Fist off...why the hell does such an organization even exist? Do they get together to talk abot how they DONT beleive in god? That's just F'ing silly.

But anyway, 5 seconds on google and I found it - and they are helping out too... http://www.atheists.org/

So you are saying an email randomnly forwarded, posted and originally written by an unproven source could be wrong? I don't beleive it.

Silver

09-21-2005, 03:50 PM

Fist off...why the hell does such an organization even exist? Do they get together to talk abot how they DONT beleive in god? That's just F'ing silly.

Why does Focus on the Family have an arm that lobbies the governement? Answer that, and you'll know why American Atheists exists.

And no, I'm not a member.

stinkyboy

09-21-2005, 03:53 PM

STEALER!!!

:p

I wrote it beetch. Your graphic IS nice however, so I sampled it.

:rolleyes:

Changleen

09-21-2005, 05:07 PM

And you just showed up.

Coincidence?

:blah:Been here longer than you, Kid. :)

H8R

09-21-2005, 05:10 PM

Been here longer than you, Kid. :)

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Nope. I was here making this forum retarded WAY before you.

ALEXIS_DH

09-21-2005, 11:00 PM

Is the American Atheist organization serving meals in the shelters???

is jesus personally serving meals in the shelters????

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09-21-2005, 11:22 PM

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Nope. I was here making this forum retarded WAY before you.
So you're claiming to be bomberz1qr20? I call BS. :nono: That guy was a dick, Mr. 11-11-2004.

Toshi

09-21-2005, 11:29 PM

Changleen, i'm pretty sure that they're the same person.

the real point to this thread is that somewhere out there there's a sad (in the sense of a sad existence, not his affect) republican/christian wag who writes these fake "emails from the field" just to incite peoples' prejudices. not just "from mississippi" but also "from a soldier in iraq" etc.

H8R

09-22-2005, 12:10 AM

So you're claiming to be bomberz1qr20? I call BS. :nono: That guy was a dick, Mr. 11-11-2004.

Wait, are you suggesting that now I'm NOT a dick?
:think:

:confused:

Do you remember me freaking out and telling N8, "F8ck you and everone that thinks like you" right after the election.

I lost my temper for like, a month.

Changleen

09-22-2005, 01:31 AM

Changleen, i'm pretty sure that they're the same person.Yeah I know. I'm jus fvckin about.
the real point to this thread is that somewhere out there there's a sad (in the sense of a sad existence, not his affect) republican/christian wag who writes these fake "emails from the field" just to incite peoples' prejudices. not just "from mississippi" but also "from a soldier in iraq" etc.I hope he chokes on his M-2343.

Changleen

09-22-2005, 01:32 AM

Wait, are you suggesting that now I'm NOT a dick?
:think:

:confused:

Do you remember me freaking out and telling N8, "F8ck you and everone that thinks like you" right after the election.

I lost my temper for like, a month.No, but good for you, and you should do it more often.

valve bouncer

09-22-2005, 01:46 AM

Wait, are you suggesting that now I'm NOT a dick?
:think:

:confused:

Do you remember me freaking out and telling N8, "F8ck you and everone that thinks like you" right after the election.

I lost my temper for like, a month.
One of the more spectacular melt-downs we've seen in the PD forum. ;)

sanjuro

09-22-2005, 02:34 AM

ACLU: ACLU Calls on President Bush to Keep Politics Out of Katrina Relief Legislation
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=19097&c=37

NAACP: NAACP Disaster Relief Fund
http://store.yahoo.com/naacp-donate1/

Westboro Bapist Church: Thank God for Katrina. New Orleans, symbol of America, seen for what it is: a putrid, toxic, stinking cesspool of fag fecal matter.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured/20050831_thank-god-for-katrina.html

Changleen

09-22-2005, 02:41 AM

Good selection Sanjuro.

sanjuro

09-22-2005, 02:43 AM

Also

American Atheist: Helping the Victims of Katrina…

“All we have is each other…”

AMERICAN ATHEISTS urges all fellow nonbelievers to contribute to the rescue and other humanitarian efforts in the devastating wake of Hurricane Katrina.

A number of secular, non-religious aid organizations are active in this relief campaign. They do not incorporate a religious message in their operations, nor do they proselytize to those in need.

http://www.atheists.org/

sanjuro

09-22-2005, 03:04 AM

And to cover my ass:

Chinese American Citizens Alliance (based in SF):
C.A.C.A. KATRINA RECOVERY FUNDS URGENTLY NEEDED (great acronym, btw).

http://www.cacanational.org/2005-katrina-fund.html

Andyman_1970

09-22-2005, 06:26 AM

While both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton embarass me (they consider themselves Christians) - it was very interesting to see Sean Penn out really helping people, in the trenches as it were............

Andyman_1970

09-22-2005, 06:28 AM

Westboro Bapist Church: Thank God for Katrina. New Orleans, symbol of America, seen for what it is: a putrid, toxic, stinking cesspool of fag fecal matter.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured/20050831_thank-god-for-katrina.html

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I wish Jesus would do His clearing the Temple "kung fu" on these folks...........

09-22-2005, 08:33 AM

Westy

09-22-2005, 08:45 AM

You liberal morons do realize that the majority of southern black folk have very strong ties to their (mostly baptist) churches. Their church and their everyday lives are totally entwined with each other. They happen to enjoy living their lives this way.

So, are you really a racist..???

Who are you talking to?

I don't think anyone here was blasting the church and their work, just tearing apart a fake email that completely ignored facts motivated by purely political reasons. Your observation clearly explains why from a casual observation so much releif effort was done by churches, it is an integral part of the region. I think it is great when you actually try to think and generate original thoughts, you just may want to try and have them make more sense.

09-22-2005, 08:49 AM

Who are you talking to?

I don't think anyone here was blasting the church and their work, just tearing apart a fake email that completely ignored facts motivated by purely political reasons. Your observation clearly explains why from a casual observation so much releif effort was done by churches, it is an integral part of the region. I think it is great when you actually try to think and generate original thoughts, you just may want to try and have them make more sense.

Blasting churches/christianity on this board is a almost hourly liberal pastime on here.

It so bad, that I feel sorry for those who are religious and I'm an avowed heathen. :rolleyes:

Andyman_1970

09-22-2005, 09:00 AM

Blasting churches/christianity on this board is a almost hourly liberal pastime on here.

While some of it is justified (see Pat Robertson) it does get a bit old, althought I have built up quite a tolerance to it thanks to the PD forum. :cool:

I chalk it up to general ignorance of what Christianity is really all about and a few very visible individuals who totally skew the perception.

Westy

09-22-2005, 09:07 AM

Blasting churches/christianity on this board is a almost hourly liberal pastime on here.

It so bad, that I feel sorry for those who are religious and I'm an avowed heathen. :rolleyes:

I'll admit it does get bad here, and I feel bad about it too but only because there are not any hardcore prostheletisers(sp?) that post here. At least from my experiences my church bashing comes from a lifetime of having people from the church try and cram their ideas down my throat. From getting cornered by people at work, door to door preaching and when I was a kid getting invited by friends families to go water skiing or similar activities that actually turned into locked door day long soul saving sessions. Legally I can choose to believe whatever I want but in certain areas society does not seem to allow this. I have had neighbors tell me I am going to hell when I politely turned down their invitations to go to church. The original post in this thread basically insinuates that non-Christians are bad people. Personally I am sick of it and have no problems bashing organizations that bash my beliefs.

DirtyDog

09-22-2005, 09:29 AM

I'll admit it does get bad here, and I feel bad about it too but only because there are not any hardcore prostheletisers(sp?) that post here. At least from my experiences my church bashing comes from a lifetime of having people from the church try and cram their ideas down my throat. From getting cornered by people at work, door to door preaching and when I was a kid getting invited by friends families to go water skiing or similar activities that actually turned into locked door day long soul saving sessions. Legally I can choose to believe whatever I want but in certain areas society does not seem to allow this. I have had neighbors tell me I am going to hell when I politely turned down their invitations to go to church. The original post in this thread basically insinuates that non-Christians are bad people. Personally I am sick of it and have no problems bashing organizations that bash my beliefs.

Yup. If goddies would get out of our business we wouldnt be criticizing them.

Westy

09-22-2005, 09:38 AM

Yup. If goddies would get out of our business we wouldnt be criticizing them.

I have no problems with the 99% of them that leave me alone. I wouldn't harbour and ill feeling for the organizations as a whole if they didn't encourage the actions of the 1% that drive me nuts, not to mention forcing their hands in the political world. How many people have been elected on single issues such as abortion that never have had any actual affect on such issues, answer: a whole bunch.

09-22-2005, 09:39 AM

Yup. If goddies would get out of our business we wouldnt be criticizing them.

Generally the other way around on here.

Westy

09-22-2005, 09:40 AM

Generally the other way around on here.

Aren't we here to discuss world politics and not RM politics?

09-22-2005, 09:45 AM

Aren't we here to discuss world politics and not RM politics?

Translation: The US/Bush sucks, all non-anglo non-christian countries good...

Westy

09-22-2005, 09:46 AM

Bush sucks

Fixed :sneaky:

09-22-2005, 09:47 AM

Fixed :sneaky:

Don't forget Wal-Mart!!!!!

Slugman

09-22-2005, 10:23 AM

I'm really a racist.

Fixed.

Blasting churches/christianity on this board is a almost hourly liberal pastime on here.

It so bad, that I feel sorry for those who are religious and I'm an avowed heathen. :rolleyes:

Did you even read what you posted... it's an attack on non-christian and liberal (albiet 'misguided') black leaders. So what do you expect to happen...

It was great troll that resulted in plenty of responses, but don't act like it's others that are on the attack - you're post (which has been pretty much shown to be BS ReichWing propaganda) was the attack.

Andyman_1970

09-22-2005, 10:59 AM

At least from my experiences my church bashing comes from a lifetime of having people from the church try and cram their ideas down my throat. From getting cornered by people at work, door to door preaching and when I was a kid getting invited by friends families to go water skiing or similar activities that actually turned into locked door day long soul saving sessions.

It’s sad to hear tales like that. Deception and high pressure sales is not what the Gospel is all about. I absolutely hate presentations of the Gospel where the word “vacuum” can be substituted for “Jesus” and it fundamentally not change the presentation.

Please know these are not accurate representations of what the whole Jesus deal is all about.

I have had neighbors tell me I am going to hell when I politely turned down their invitations to go to church.

Interestingly Jesus never presents the Gospel in this kind of language – He never says “you don’t want to go to Hell do you?” – He always frames it as the best way to live, as a way of life, not as an alternative to being “extra crispy”.

The sad thing is most Christians (at least evangelical ones and especially fundamentalists) either choose to ignore this fact or are ignorant of it. Which flies in the face of additional Scripture which say “test everything hold on to the good” instead of just swallowing uncritically what the pastor spouts on a Sunday morning.

A question for you would be: once you declined their offer did your neighbors treat you different?

Legally I can choose to believe whatever I want but in certain areas society does not seem to allow this.

You sure can. Jesus when asked by the rich young dude how one inherits eternal life answers in a way the rich young dude doesn’t want to hear and walks off – Jesus didn’t chase him, Jesus didn’t send a visitation team after him, Jesus didn’t say “Hey you know if you don’t follow me you’re going to Hell” – Jesus let this guy make his own decision.

The original post in this thread basically insinuates that non-Christians are bad people.

The funny thing is, that the Paul says in Romans 2 that even those who don’t know God sometimes do what is required by the Torah – so the idea that non-Christians are “bad” is not totally Biblically accurate. Once again we have a “wonderful” case of as I like to call it “cut and paste” theology…………

Westy

09-22-2005, 12:02 PM

It’s sad to hear tales like that. Deception and high pressure sales is not what the Gospel is all about. I absolutely hate presentations of the Gospel where the word “vacuum” can be substituted for “Jesus” and it fundamentally not change the presentation.

Please know these are not accurate representations of what the whole Jesus deal is all about.

Interestingly Jesus never presents the Gospel in this kind of language – He never says “you don’t want to go to Hell do you?” – He always frames it as the best way to live, as a way of life, not as an alternative to being “extra crispy”.

The sad thing is most Christians (at least evangelical ones and especially fundamentalists) either choose to ignore this fact or are ignorant of it. Which flies in the face of additional Scripture which say “test everything hold on to the good” instead of just swallowing uncritically what the pastor spouts on a Sunday morning.

A question for you would be: once you declined their offer did your neighbors treat you different?

You sure can. Jesus when asked by the rich young dude how one inherits eternal life answers in a way the rich young dude doesn’t want to hear and walks off – Jesus didn’t chase him, Jesus didn’t send a visitation team after him, Jesus didn’t say “Hey you know if you don’t follow me you’re going to Hell” – Jesus let this guy make his own decision.

The funny thing is, that the Paul says in Romans 2 that even those who don’t know God sometimes do what is required by the Torah – so the idea that non-Christians are “bad” is not totally Biblically accurate. Once again we have a “wonderful” case of more as I like to call it “cut and paste” theology…………

Good stuff as usual Andy. We need more people around like you.

reflux

09-22-2005, 12:42 PM

Good stuff as usual Andy. We need more people around like you.
:stupid:

sanjuro

09-22-2005, 12:56 PM

You liberal morons do realize that the majority of southern black folk have very strong ties to their (mostly baptist) churches. Their church and their everyday lives are totally entwined with each other. They happen to enjoy living their lives this way.

So, are you really a racist..???
The email you posted was a bit silly. Yes, the ACLU is not opening their war chest for Katrina relief, and I have not heard from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton about Katrina. Can you pick some more random organizations or personalities?

As for my racism, that is another discussion.