whos gonna be at SST either on saterday or sunday

[cove rider]

hey just wonderin whos gonna be out theri this weekend and on what day or days so let me know. i dont have a bike to ride so im gonna get some sweet video with my sisters digital video camera and need some people to shoot

[SuperSlow]

i may be there on a black foes mono or a black turner rail

[cove rider]

today or tommorow

[SuperSlow]

sunday

[evilbob]

Me Sunday.....Bighit......Fly helmet........

[mazzino]

FYI...tomorrow might not be a good day to go.

I just got back a 1/2 hour ago and the rider's left line in the flowpark is marked off for the XC race on Sunday. The race course goes up the left line and out the middle entrace. The stepdown line is open if you walk in before the middle entrance but there is course tape blocking the jumps after the main table.

[SuperSlow]

yah im going to the shore wont be there

[cove rider]

hmmm seems how the guy that was suppose to give me a ride decided he didnt want to go i guess i wont be their anyways

[Gex]

im gonna jumpo the zxc racers

[jimbo_the_biker]

Hey
I was out there today, had a talk with Wick etc. He wants to organize a meeting between us DH/FR riders, and him and the XC/CX riders. Talk about plans for the park, etc. I guess the gravel parking lot is gonna be closed for a few weeks while the city does some work, etc.
If at all possible, I'd avoid the flow park tomorrow. The course runs up the left line, and uses the entire paved road we walk up. Its best to avoid confrontation and keep things running smoothly, than to 'cause trouble. They only use that area 'two days a year' so, thats not too much to ask right? Plus, it'll be rainy and most people are at beacon.


-James.

[stormin'norman]

exactly what james said stay away from flow park on sunday 4/24/05 you can go to softies but don't mess with the lycra :nono:

[cove rider]

hmmmm well it sounds like i may head out their anyways maybe watch the race and get some shots at the softies

[cove rider]

well i went out to SST today and was at the flow park with a few peeps and then wick came by and kicked us out and we had to leave for no good reason so we went to the softies and got some pretty good footage of some people jumpin today.

man wick can be a dick he was cussin out my friend for no reason then kicked us out and was quite rude about it too.

[Snacks]

well i went out to SST today and was at the flow park with a few peeps and then wick came by and kicked us out and we had to leave for no good reason so we went to the softies and got some pretty good footage of some people jumpin today.

man wick can be a dick he was cussin out my friend for no reason then kicked us out and was quite rude about it too.

For no good reason? :rolleyes: Dude, all peeps on this thread have been saying is to stay out of the flow park for ONE DAY and you go down any way? He was trying to put on a race.

[Skookum]

For no good reason? :rolleyes: Dude, all peeps on this thread have been saying is to stay out of the flow park for ONE DAY and you go down any way? He was trying to put on a race.
Yah but he still comes off like a dick, i have no respect for him myself, as i've been condescended to from him.

[Langer]

Along with the big font that normin used maybe he should have used a different color so that it would have caught the eye of all the ADD 4 year olds on the board. :rolleyes:

One question, with the amount of people that use the flowpark would it have been a really big issue not putting his race course through it. He has had problems with flowpark users before, so why not try and avoid any confrontations and not use it for the course. The flowpark is 10% of SST. It also has the most users on the weekends.

[Skookum]

i think people hucking over the racers on the gravity section would make for really cool pictures. hmmmm :evil:

[thesacrifice]

forgive my ignorance but who is this Wick guy to come kick someone out of a public park and be rude about it? I understand that he has done a lot of things to help SST be accessible for bike riders but that's it.

What if I didn't use this board? What if I did come up to SST from Olympia not knowing he was going to do an XC race. To be approached by a grown adult and talked down to wouldn't make me a happy camper. ESPECIALLY IN A CITY PARK

[Langer]

Stiff Wick has a website with contact info on the bottom.

http://home.comcast.net/~indieseries/seatacshuffle.html

[Borregokid]

If people start complaining enough the City of Des Moines is likely to come along and make the place a large pedestrian park or put in ball fields or something else and their wont be any biking. I was racing today and as best I could see most of the "flow" was skirted around with part of the course running straight up a section. The best scenario for the DH crowd is they complain loud enough and there goes another westside race but they get to keep their flow section open. Does anyone know where the WIMs races are being held?

[Skookum]

forgive my ignorance but who is this Wick guy to come kick someone out of a public park and be rude about it? I understand that he has done a lot of things to help SST be accessible for bike riders but that's it.

What if I didn't use this board? What if I did come up to SST from Olympia not knowing he was going to do an XC race. To be approached by a grown adult and talked down to wouldn't make me a happy camper. ESPECIALLY IN A CITY PARK
i don't think it's much to ask really since many people i assume abide by the "don't ride uphill on the flowpark" when it's being heavily ridden on. But Wick has a reputation of being incredibly disrespectful, to people who have just as much a right to be there as he does, regardless. i don't mess with the races though because i know a majority of people who race there are out to have a good time and are great people. i won't hate on the racer's but maybe someday i'll ride by Wicks booth and fart in his general direction.

[Skookum]

If people start complaining enough the City of Des Moines is likely to come along and make the place a large pedestrian park or put in ball fields or something else and their wont be any biking. I was racing today and as best I could see most of the "flow" was skirted around with part of the course running straight up a section. The best scenario for the DH crowd is they complain loud enough and there goes another westside race but they get to keep their flow section open. Does anyone know where the WIMs races are being held?
Geeze give me a break.... i think the whole point is that Wick needs to be polite instead of being such a dick. You get alot better results with sugar instead of vineager.

[nohbody]

forgive my ignorance but who is this Wick guy to come kick someone out of a public park and be rude about it? I understand that he has done a lot of things to help SST be accessible for bike riders but that's it.


ditto the above
So lemme get this right, this Wick guy get his way because he barks louder than everyone else? Where does he get the authority to do whatever he wants there?

So this is a public place, shouldn't there be a more public announcement about the goings on? (instead of the nerd-like forum approach :p )

[cove rider]

For no good reason? :rolleyes: Dude, all peeps on this thread have been saying is to stay out of the flow park for ONE DAY and you go down any way? He was trying to put on a race.

yes but he also has said that we are still able to ride their but to stay out of the racers way and we did and still get bitched at whats up with that

[thesacrifice]

if he got as rude as you describe, tell him to f-off. Nobody that's out to have a legitimately good time in a public park deserves to be disrespected by some goon cause lyrca force is in full effect. Don't want Freeriders getting in the way? Don't route your race by the freeride park.

[Skookum]

The best scenario for the DH crowd is they complain loud enough and there goes another westside race but they get to keep their flow section open. Does anyone know where the WIMs races are being held?

lyrca force is in full effect. Don't want Freeriders getting in the way? Don't route your race by the freeride park.

So which one of you guys are the Jets and which one of your guys are the Sharks?

(Riff) When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way
From your first cigarette to your last dyin' day!
When you're a Jet, let 'em do what they can
You've got brothers around, you're a family man!
You're never alone, you're never disconnected, you're home with your own
When company's expected, you're well-protected!
Then you are set with a capital J
Which you'll never forget till they cart you away
When you're a Jet you stay a Jet

i foresee this thread getting stupider and stupider, and we all know the longevity of stupid threads.

[Borregokid]

So which one of you guys are the Jets and which one of your guys are the Sharks?



i foresee this thread getting stupider and stupider, and we all know the longevity of stupid threads.

Hey I dont know nothin about Jets or Sharks, must have been a movie or something way before I was born :) . Besides I am going to be helping my bros knock in a free ride-down hill trail over here. :thumb:

[PsychO!1]

Wasn't there DH race in Spokane this weekend?? Wasn't that race held in a 'public park'? Didn't they close off several decent trails that XC'rs could have ridden??

Get my point?? DH races close public trails for a day all the time, why can't an XC race do the same??

[Snacks]

Wasn't there DH race in Spokane this weekend?? Wasn't that race held in a 'public park'? Didn't they close off several decent trails that XC'rs could have ridden??

Get my point?? DH races close public for a day all the time, why can't an XC race do the same??

Word :thumb:

[mazzino]

ditto the above
So lemme get this right, this Wick guy get his way because he barks louder than everyone else? Where does he get the authority to do whatever he wants there?



He had a permit to run the race. That's where he gets the authority. When I was there on Sat he explicitly called out that he doesn't use the flowpark on Wednesday race courses because he does not have to. Accomodating a weekend race crowd is another story. I thought that was being pretty fair to us and the people paying the entry fee to race. SST is not that big.

[Big B]

He had a permit to run the race. That's where he gets the authority. When I was there on Sat he explicitly called out that he doesn't use the flowpark on Wednesday race courses because he does not have to. Accomodating a weekend race crowd is another story. I thought that was being pretty fair to us and the people paying the entry fee to race. SST is not that big.


That pretty much sums it up. Thanks Mazzino.

Forum closed. :cool:

[cove rider]

hehe i might be writing him a letter later on today. i wont be rude or anything i will just ask him some questions why he was so rude and maybe suggest not being rude too people and he might get along with the DH/FR crowd a little better and i might eventually suggest him never running the race through the flow park because of its popularity

[PsychO!1]

I saw, and overheard Wick speaking with few big bike people.....he was polite and respectful. Even if he did snap at a freerider or two, he was out there trying to run a race, it can be a little stressful. Give the guy a break and let it go.

[Snacks]

hehe i might be writing him a letter later on today. i wont be rude or anything i will just ask him some questions why he was so rude and maybe suggest not being rude too people and he might get along with the DH/FR crowd a little better and i might eventually suggest him never running the race through the flow park because of its popularity

Dude, he was out there running racs since before the flow park was even an idea. He had a permit to run a race at the park, pretty much that means he has the right run his race where ever he wants.

I have dealt with Wick numorus time over the past years and he has always been nice and polite. Yes, I'm sure he was stressed....but do you have any idea what goes into putting on a race?

[evilbob]

hehe i might be writing him a letter later on today. i wont be rude or anything i will just ask him some questions why he was so rude and maybe suggest not being rude too people and he might get along with the DH/FR crowd a little better and i might eventually suggest him never running the race through the flow park because of its popularity

Writing Wick a letter about his personal skills while well entended I would not recommend at this momment. Leave well enough alone as Wick is not trying to cause the flowpark any harm. Maybe in the future he will be willing to help in some way with events we may want to have, you might be suprised. Also, when they do have there next XC event I would encourage a few from the Flow Park to volunteer to course marshal or something that would be pretty positive from our side and would go a long way to show multi use co-operation and respect for all riding types. By the way cove rider, it was nice meeting you on Sunday. :thumb: :evil:

[cove rider]

ya even though i didnt have a bike, but i guess even if i did have one it wouldnt have mattered much not a whole lot of riding going on then anyways

[thesacrifice]

Wasn't there DH race in Spokane this weekend?? Wasn't that race held in a 'public park'? Didn't they close off several decent trails that XC'rs could have ridden??

Get my point?? DH races close public trails for a day all the time, why can't an XC race do the same??

that's not the point...the dude with no social skills is

[PsychO!1]

that's not the point...the dude with no social skills is

Yup, appearently i have missed the point....rant on dude!!! :thumb:

[trailhacker]

that's not the point...the dude with no social skills is
What is the point?
He is polite to the first few guys he talks too, then goes back to putting on the race. He is only cordial to the next group of people he has to talk to then goes back to putting on the race. He is less than cordial to the next guys he has to talk to then (stress levels rising because, after all, he rying to put on a race) goes back to putting on the race. He is short and probably rude to the next group because he has to keep having this conversation over and over again while he's trying to be an independant - read only a few volunteers helping him - promoter putting on a race.
Would you be pissed if you went to the N. Seatac BMX track and they were racing and you tried to ride on the track and they yelled at you to get the f**k off the track? It is a public park isn't it?
Would you be pissed if you were driving through Portland and they had the streets closed for the indy car (or what ever) race? I mean, after all, they are public streets and the people putting on the races don't own the streets right?

[cove rider]

well the thing that made me mad was my friend was walking up the very edge of the road and two guys were walking down the other side and he saw a racer coming and yelled at them to watch out theres a racer comin down, well they didnt move and just got in the way (two guys one of them was wick) then wick came over and was like dont f*ck with me and all this other crap, then my friends dad came up to see what was the problem and suddenly wick was all polite and stuff. thats mostly what made me mad cause its people me age that are out there most of the time and he should treat us the same as any adult.

[nohbody]

DIE THREAD, DIE!!! :nuts:

[thesacrifice]

What is the point?
He is polite to the first few guys he talks too, then goes back to putting on the race. He is only cordial to the next group of people he has to talk to then goes back to putting on the race. He is less than cordial to the next guys he has to talk to then (stress levels rising because, after all, he rying to put on a race) goes back to putting on the race. He is short and probably rude to the next group because he has to keep having this conversation over and over again while he's trying to be an independant - read only a few volunteers helping him - promoter putting on a race.
Would you be pissed if you went to the N. Seatac BMX track and they were racing and you tried to ride on the track and they yelled at you to get the f**k off the track? It is a public park isn't it?
Would you be pissed if you were driving through Portland and they had the streets closed for the indy car (or what ever) race? I mean, after all, they are public streets and the people putting on the races don't own the streets right?

"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"

Your excuses above in no way warrant someone being an asshole to me as I'm just an individual and it's not my fault there were X amount of people inline before me that he had to give his spiel to.. I'm not going to feel sorry for you that I'm the 10th guy you had to ask to step out of the way, because that's the responsibility that comes along with running the race in that particular location. If this gentleman has issues with stress-management, maybe he needs to pass the torch.

I don't expect to be called names by a checker at a grocery store cause the customers in front of me were rude and I don't expect to be put down when I'm pulled over for speeding because the guy before me had a warrant.

"Would you be pissed if you went to the N. Seatac BMX track and they were racing and you tried to ride on the track and they yelled at you to get the f**k off the track?"

Yes, when a, "Hey dude, we're racing you can't ride right now" would suffice, I don't want to be f-bombed.

[seand]

oh...my...god...

the point is this...a man asked nicely that everyone avoid a riding area for ONE day to allow for an annual event. is it really that hard? there were numerous threads on various forums about it...signs posted on the BB at the parking area at SST...you would have to be under a rock not to know to stay away from the flow park for a freakin single day...there are how many other places to ride for ONE day? why not take advantage...the riding world does not revolve around sst...

wick should not have to police the flowpark as well as his event...the flowpark shouldnt even be on his mind for things to worry about...its as simple as that. its also as simple as this...
if enough big mouthed dh/fr people get in his face, the flowpark will be shutdown. ever think about that? the riding community is quite lucky there have been some people to intervene and talk with the city and wick and try and work something out...but of course, there are those few that ignore all requests and do what they want anyways....

be responsible about your actions and realize they affect more than just you...


now seriously, let this thread die already!

[cove rider]

i know people want this thread to die but i have one final point. we werent in the way of the races and werent hurting him anyway so he didnt have to worry about it. but he decided to be an ass and butt into our nice day of polite riding in the flow park area

[seand]

i know people want this thread to die but i have one final point. we werent in the way of the races and werent hurting him anyway so he didnt have to worry about it. but he decided to be an ass and butt into our nice day of polite riding in the flow park area


you just dont get it, do you? the point isnt if you were in anyones way...the point is that it was requested that for ONE day, people go elsewhere to ride and avoid an area that is being used by PERMIT for an annual race....it was no big secret yet the request was ignored, and once again, the fr/dh crowd as a whole is the bad guy because of it....and people wonder why places get closed down?

[Corporatefailure]

yah, get it threw your thick head.

[Str8OutaBallard]

I ran into Wick monday at SST... he want's to have a meeting w/the flowpark riders... if everyone is respectful and dosn't get reactionary, then I think it will be productive... he's gonna post some flyers at SST... he said it will be on a Thurs night... most likely a week from tomorrow...

[cove rider]

where at?

[DBR X6 RIDER]

Wick's deal is simple. He has to deal with a sea of jacked-up, lycra-clad racers for x amount of hours. I'm sure any of us would not be fun to talk to after a while of doing his gig.
All I know is my new bike is almost ready (like it's been for a few weeks now). Don't get the place shut down before then or I'll make Wick seem like the tooth-fairy.
That's all.:)

[seand]

haha!

ive seen andy pissed off. i highly suggest not making him that way...ESPECIALLY over the flowpark being shutdown. ever see black clouds form over your head? heh...

[DBR X6 RIDER]

Heheheh...I'm already twitchy enough from only having a road bike for the last month.
Dammit!! :mad:

[cove rider]

hey i dont have a bike either so i wont get the place shut down thats fo show cause i havent even ridden my new shock their yet. hehe broke it before i could.

seand: no stupid comments about me braking my bike thanks.

when we got kicked out i wasnt even riding then i just witnessed it.

anybody know where this so called "meeting" is going to be held?

[jimbo_the_biker]

It'll be held at SST. Probably in the central field, it'd make the most sense.

-James.

[cove rider]

okay cool hopefully i can find out exactly where it is before it happens

[DBR X6 RIDER]

Back on the orig. topic of this thread...

Sounds like Pip, Chavez (his son) and I are heading towards the ol' flowpark this Saturday (4/30 - NOT 4/40 ;) ). If I survive I may head out there again on Sunday.

I miss dirt.

[seand]

yay, flowpark action on 4/40/20005 :)


andy, what bike you going to be rocking on saturday?

[DBR X6 RIDER]

yay, flowpark action on 4/40/20005 :)


andy, what bike you going to be rocking on saturday?
Shaq-sized XT Ram 3500. Took it for a roll around the 'hood today...she's b-i-g. I'd best be s-m-o-o-t-h.
While it's nice to be on a rig, I'm sure looking forward to my s-m-a-l-l frame to be done.:)

[cove rider]

ill see if i can hitch a ride out their sometime this weekend to get some more footage of people riding

[Str8OutaBallard]

where at?
will have to see what the flyers say about the exact location...

[seand]

my guess for location would be the field (since everyone has to pass through it at some point to get to/from the flowpark) or the actual flowpark....

either way, whatever representation is out there, please be respectful...its you who is the face of everyone who rides there.

[nohbody]

yay, flowpark action on 4/40/20005
Saturday (4/30 - NOT 4/40 ).
:eviltongu

what a rough croud, make one mistake and.... :nuts:


:stupid:

[DBR X6 RIDER]

:eviltongu

what a rough croud, make one mistake and.... :nuts:


:stupid:

At least you know we're not ignoring you!:D

I wonder if Wick is going to bring donuts to this meeting? I like donuts.

[cove rider]

mmmm donuts thats insentive

[stormin'norman]

At least you know we're not ignoring you!:D

I wonder if Wick is going to bring donuts to this meeting? I like donuts.


maybe if were lucky he'll bring stale energy bars that the racers refused to eats mmmmm chocolate flavored rocks

[DBR X6 RIDER]

maybe if were lucky he'll bring stale energy bars that the racers refused to eats mmmmm chocolate flavored rocks
Hahahaha - you know it! Seems fair enough considering how many improperly discarded wrappers we've picked up over the last year or so.:thumb: