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Looking to get a group of riders interested in shuttle runs around Pisgah Forest this Saturday.
I'm not very familiar with those mtns, but I've heard there's some great shuttle runs in the area.
Forcast say's there might be rain, that of course means it's sure to be a sunny day.
A few of us a looking to come up from Georgia so wer're looking to get an early start.
Buzz in if your interested.
rydronthestorm
03-01-2005, 02:29 PM
you guys shouldnt shuttle pisgah all the best trails are non shuttle. if the hills of pisgah are too much for you go ride dupont. more rolly terrain but with wicked fun descents. tourists shuttling is being noticed by the forest service. please, ride your bike up hill too.
Don't know the situation, but if the "tourist" are driving on legal fireroads, then why does the forest service care if they are shuttling? Just asking not flaming.
mattmatt86
03-01-2005, 08:30 PM
i would love to go this weekend, my friends and i from clemson were shuttling like a month ago and it was great. I would be glad to shuttle but as far as ride up thats out of the question caus my bike weighs 40 lbs and i struggled riding up a quarter of the way up one mountain. I know a couple people from around here that would come with me. Buck?
T-Pirate
03-01-2005, 09:05 PM
you guys shouldnt shuttle pisgah all the best trails are non shuttle. if the hills of pisgah are too much for you go ride dupont. more rolly terrain but with wicked fun descents. tourists shuttling is being noticed by the forest service. please, ride your bike up hill too.
I'm not gonna say don't shuttle, because that would make me a huge hypocrite, but you just have to keep it quiet. Make sure to be real nice to any hikers, because a few routes are getting used a lot more since shuttling got popular.
who gives at Rat's A$$ about the ethical questions involved about shuttling trails. This was an invitation to those who want to join in.
TP! I've heard you and your crew frequent these parts. Can you PM me what would be the most choice runs and general directions, where to park...etc? Where looking for fast, technical, long runs.... Join us if you can.
Anyone else interested?
profro
03-02-2005, 06:54 AM
who gives at Rat's A$$ about the ethical questions involved about shuttling trails. This was an invitation to those who want to join in.
Thats not a very cool attitude to take. You have obviuously not been around biking very much. Because dirt jumps get plowed and DH trails get closed with attitudes like that. :nono:
No one help this guy unless he chills and finds a better attitude.
MTB_Rob_NC
03-02-2005, 07:12 AM
ok seriously....
Since I go to this area ALL the time, and when I go there I want to get in as much riding as possible we like to "shuttle." When I say shuttle, I dont mean repeated runs down the same trail on a full on DH bike or anything, but rather starting at the top of the mountain and riding as much as possible, finishing at the bottom and retrieving the original car at the end of the day.
That being said, I have the utmost respect for the area, the locals that ride and care for it. So my questions are this.
What are the EXACT rules for shuttling in the area? I have heard a bunch of stuff regarding how far off the Parkway you need to be before you can get on your bike. Some times there are signs, sometimes there aren't, some of the signs show bike right off the Parkway. Others just kinda have "access" paths from the Parkway down to where there is a trail sign (just the name of the trail, not who is allowed on it), but I know that trail is open to bikes.
I know a number of you are locals and have some good info, so without starting a flame war, give up some good info please. You dont need to name spots or anything.
profro
03-02-2005, 07:34 AM
My only rule is to keep it quite and on the down low. ;)
and oh yeah......
RESPECT
I've since been informed of several different trails. Probably meeting in the Davidson camprground parking lot early Saturday morning. We've got some locals meeting us so we should get several choice runs in, weather permitting.
I'll post a meeting time when we firm up our plans. Feel free to join in...even you wet-behind-the-ears tree-hugging types :blah: .
Later...
bizutch
03-02-2005, 09:41 AM
I've since been informed of several different trails. Probably meeting in the Davidson camprground parking lot early Saturday morning. We've got some locals meeting us so we should get several choice runs in, weather permitting.
I'll post a meeting time when we firm up our plans. Feel free to join in...even you wet-behind-the-ears tree-hugging types :blah: .
Later...this is Butch...what the FOKK is your problem? I'm not telling you jack to shuttle if you're a douche...hope you get lost and wind up in Waynesville. :mad:
motomike
03-02-2005, 10:48 AM
this is Butch...what the FOKK is your problem? I'm not telling you jack to shuttle if you're a douche...hope you get lost and wind up in Waynesville. :mad:
agreed. From now on, when trails get closed, just remember good old T66. :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :angry:
biggins
03-02-2005, 11:05 AM
i think all of you are a little out of hand.
shuttle it, climb it who cares.
as far as Robs question goes yes there is a buffer around the parkway that is hiking only it think it is 100 yards.
The opening to Trace ridge from the parkway is illegal.
as far as shuttling goes i say shuttle all ya want. Dont haul ass up the road and be nice to everyone you encounter.
all of you doggin on shuttle need to chill, i agree he is kinda being a dick but everyone here that has responded shuttles in pisgah so before you get on your high horse you should think about some of the trails you have shuttled.
i agree an attitude adjustment may be in order.
however hypocricism gets one nowhere.
motomike
03-02-2005, 11:27 AM
i think all of you are a little out of hand.
shuttle it, climb it who cares.
as far as Robs question goes yes there is a buffer around the parkway that is hiking only it think it is 100 yards.
The opening to Trace ridge from the parkway is illegal.
as far as shuttling goes i say shuttle all ya want. Dont haul ass up the road and be nice to everyone you encounter.
all of you doggin on shuttle need to chill, i agree he is kinda being a dick but everyone here that has responded shuttles in pisgah so before you get on your high horse you should think about some of the trails you have shuttled.
i agree an attitude adjustment may be in order.
however hypocricism gets one nowhere.
wow dude, that was like, powerfull! hey I saw you last week. It was on I-85 about 20 from Greensboro. You were headed back to A-villa. I was blinded from this strange orange light as I neared what looked to be a bicycle floating on the other side of the highway divider. :blah:
bizutch
03-02-2005, 11:33 AM
i think all of you are a little out of hand.
shuttle it, climb it who cares.
as far as Robs question goes yes there is a buffer around the parkway that is hiking only it think it is 100 yards.
The opening to Trace ridge from the parkway is illegal.
as far as shuttling goes i say shuttle all ya want. Dont haul ass up the road and be nice to everyone you encounter.
all of you doggin on shuttle need to chill, i agree he is kinda being a dick but everyone here that has responded shuttles in pisgah so before you get on your high horse you should think about some of the trails you have shuttled.
i agree an attitude adjustment may be in order.
however hypocricism gets one nowhere.
nobody said not to shuttle...they said he's an jackass!!! which means he acts like the kind of person who can get the rest of us shuttlers shut down.
profro
03-02-2005, 11:45 AM
nobody said not to shuttle...they said he's an jackass!!! which means he acts like the kind of person who can get the rest of us shuttlers shut down.
:stupid:
Why are you boys so uptight? They'll be no raping or pilagiing the Mtns of Pisgah this weekend. We will spare the women and children. Some of you guys are more touchy than my wife at the height of her worst PMS day.
I appreciate the 411 on the attitude toward this type of trail use and we'll try our best not to make it to obviious that wer're shuttling. We're not be bringing up full blown DH bikes and won't be in full body armor either.
Local authorities if encountered will be treated with utmost respect and other trail users encountered will receive the same respect.
I'll probably be riding the Pisgah area alot this coming season as it's only an 1.5 hours from my house in NE GA. If I find it to be a shuttle friendly area it's even better.
Anyhow, join in if you like.
motomike
03-02-2005, 04:16 PM
perception is bliss.
mattmatt86
03-02-2005, 05:19 PM
pisgah is about an hour and a half from me, i will make it up there if i can get someone from here to go with me, im not too familiar with the roads and stuff up there so if someone can firm up a meeting site and time that would be great, hope the weather will be good!
its deffinatly shuttle friendly cause we shuttle it all the time. i couldnt imagin not shuttling some of those trails. but yeh like the rest of them said keep it on the dl. me and my crew are guilty of flyin up the roads and hoppin and hoalering biggins and tp can deffinatly vouch for me on this one. and yeh t66 work on the attidude, up here were real touchy about our trails and want to keep as many of them as possible RESPECT is the most important thing,especially right now, since everyone is so touchy about bikers on trails. Also a good idea would maybee stop into a lbs and talk to those guys about what you can do (sycamore cycles to be exact) about shuttling and keepin on the dl. and also maybee buy something from them so that you can help with some maintenance. nothing big but even a little bit helps. ohh and the trails might be kinda sloppy cause of the recent snow up here, so if you want i got a crew riding sunday if you want to join us if the trails are still a little sloppy. sorry for the long post.
MTB_Rob_NC
03-02-2005, 07:35 PM
as far as Robs question goes yes there is a buffer around the parkway that is hiking only it think it is 100 yards.
The opening to Trace ridge from the parkway is illegal.
So its illegal, to walk down it? Or illegal to ride down it?
Hey Bizitch I got no problem, why don't you build up the new DHR and join us?
bizutch
03-02-2005, 08:25 PM
This is Chris! I got no problem. Go Fokk yourself! Hey Bizitch I got no problem, why don't you build up the new DHR and join us?
Hmmm, I got your original post sunshine...you corrected your post to mellow it out...which shows you thought better of the attitude, but I'll pass bro.
Just support your local DH race and we'll be square.
ZachTheMech
03-02-2005, 09:34 PM
Heh, Busted. Dont you hate that.
Side note, Im actually planning on heading up there sometime in April. On some sunday of course since i work Saturdays. Be fun to check it out.
biggins
03-02-2005, 10:29 PM
it is illegal to ride down it rob.
the thing that gets me is everyone on this thread just assumes that this guy is gonna be some kinda high test pisgah trail raper or something just because Ben (ryder) made a comment. Who knows, but im sure not gonna dog on him.
as for this better than thou because i climb up the hills blah blah blah crap im getting tired of it so fast. whats the f'n difference in usage if you climb or shuttle its still bikes on the same damn trail.
furthermore its not our fault we cant have some place where we can shuttle or even ride a lift that is better suited than the multiuse trails of pisgah.
motomike, that must have been wednesday.
MTB_Rob_NC
03-03-2005, 09:45 AM
it is illegal to ride down it rob.
Cool, we had been walking down the first xyz yards anyway cause there were a bunch of trees crossing the trail.
as for this better than thou because i climb up the hills blah blah blah crap im getting tired of it so fast. whats the f'n difference in usage if you climb or shuttle its still bikes on the same damn trail.
Hell ya, or as you like to say wErD :D
furthermore its not our fault we cant have some place where we can shuttle or even ride a lift that is better suited than the multiuse trails of pisgah.
You get NO sympathy from me given the trails you have !!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: Sucka!
See you in April, we will be shuttling some! Besides when you climb you burn through your buzz SO much faster. When you shuttle you can drink beer all the way to the top.
biggins
03-03-2005, 09:49 AM
See you in April, we will be shuttling some! Besides when you climb you burn through your buzz SO much faster. When you shuttle you can drink beer all the way to the top.
i think that is one of the funniest things i have heard you say, ever. but it is so true
Meeting area has been changed/set to Sycamore Cycles parking lot @ 9 or10am -ish (not sure which yet) Saturday morning.
I will be riding my newly built up blood-red Banshee Scream w/ 3.0 Gazzis wearing full DH storm-trooper garb complete with a WWI Nazi helmet. I'll also be bringing 2 cases of Budweiser and a 5th of Beam and my 3 foot bong, so whilst I'm "shuttlin" in the back of the pickup, singing Sweet Home Alabama at the top of my lungs, throwin Bud cans off into your virgin NC woods, I'll have something to do. Then, after I stop and pee off the Parkway, I'll commence running down any dumbass hiker who doesn't flee when they hear my Lynyrd Skynyrd opus at a volume of 11, on the way down the trail. Later when it gets dark, I'm gonna spot for deer so I have something to eat for dinner before I ride home, dumping Bud cans all along the way.
Please..........................You guys need to relax. We will have the utmost respect for your area and be as discreet as possible. You need to lay off T66, as he was only looking for people to join us in a good time of riding. The offer is still open to anybody who wants to come.
Sycamore Cycles parking lot, Sat 9am -ish...........bring your viking helmets. :evil:
profro
03-03-2005, 12:57 PM
Meeting area has been changed/set to Sycamore Cycles parking lot @ 9 or10am -ish (not sure which yet) Saturday morning.
I will be riding my newly built up blood-red Banshee Scream w/ 3.0 Gazzis wearing full DH storm-trooper garb complete with a WWI Nazi helmet. I'll also be bringing 2 cases of Budweiser and a 5th of Beam and my 3 foot bong, so whilst I'm "shuttlin" in the back of the pickup, singing Sweet Home Alabama at the top of my lungs, throwin Bud cans off into your virgin NC woods, I'll have something to do. Then, after I stop and pee off the Parkway, I'll commence running down any dumbass hiker who doesn't flee when they hear my Lynyrd Skynyrd opus at a volume of 11, on the way down the trail. Later when it gets dark, I'm gonna spot for deer so I have something to eat for dinner before I ride home, dumping Bud cans all along the way.
Please..........................You guys need to relax. We will have the utmost respect for your area and be as discreet as possible. You need to lay off T66, as he was only looking for people to join us in a good time of riding. The offer is still open to anybody who wants to come.
Sycamore Cycles parking lot, Sat 9am -ish...........bring your viking helmets. :evil:
You still don't get it do you? If you don't advertise on a forum then no one will harp on you. ;)
One of these days you'll show up somewhere you loved to ride and it will be closed. Then you might learn to be quite and not advertise where you're meeting and when and opening the invitation to everyone. :rolleyes:
You still don't get it do you? If you don't advertise on a forum then no one will harp on you. ;)
One of these days you'll show up somewhere you loved to ride and it will be closed. Then you might learn to be quite and not advertise where you're meeting and when and opening the invitation to everyone. :rolleyes:
Oh boy. Here we go............
First of all, I wasn't aware that mountian biking on the verge of being banned in Pisgah.
Secondly, why don't you guys say what you mean.
What you guys should have said was "You are outsiders, stay out of our riding spot, go back to your own state, stay away stay away!"
I get it. I get that you guys are a bunch paranoid (bleeeeeeeps).
Yeah and I forgot that Pisgah & Dupont Forests were some secret sacred magical forests that only certain little elves knew about and were permitted and if caught "shuttling" the DER Ogre would smite them into oblivion.
Did I miss something? Did we "advertise" something illegal?
Now, none of you would have cried foul if the so called forbidden "s" word wouldn't have been mentioned. For some reason that has a negative connotation attached to it?
If T66 would have said "Hi, guys were planning on doing a group ride in Pisgah and we plan on pedaling up all the hills. Who wants to go?", that would've been politically and socially correct right?
What exactly is outlaw here? Group riding or not riding your bike up the mountain?
If organizing a group (barely a group at that) ride is illegal in Pisgah then why do sites like this exist:
http://www.mtbikewnc.com/
We're going to ride our bicycles in Pisgah. What difference does it make how we get to the top?
So on the behalf of myself and T66, I recind the former invitation to join us.
We have our crew, you guys can pound salt. And we won't leave a tire track, footprint or Bud can in your beloved Pisgah forest.
Oh I forgot........shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle !
Jeremy R
03-03-2005, 02:24 PM
Here is the deal.
Pisgah is an awesome place to ride a bike. No secret there. Anybody who rides there feels really lucky to have that network of trails close to them, and they do not want to see anything happen to them.
I ride in pisgah at least every other weekend.
And I honestly shuttle there about every 1 in 10 rides.
There are a few reasons for that.
1- Pisgah is more suited to trail bikes, and DH rigs are overkill on most stuff out there.
2- Even on alot of the "shuttles" there, you end up having to push your azz off on a DH rig. And places like Farlow, you really get into some Last of the Mohican shiznit.
3- Alot of the best trails, you cannot really shuttle anyway, and you less likely to run into hikers on some of the remote areas that you have to climb to.
And if you do shuttle, it is best to be done in a small group with one vehicle,
and be like Fonzie when driving up and down the roads, because if one thing will get the trails shut down for us quick it is acting like a douche baloon on the fireroads.
The reason the locals get jazzed up on this is for the simple fact that they have seen idiots shuttling up there before.
I once ran into a truckful of wasted semen from Florida who had no business being in Pisgah (or Earth for that matter). They were on Karpiel Army's riding XC trails, and doing drops off of rocks right at the hikers feet at the bottom of the fish hatchery trail. Totally inconsiderate, not to mention that they could not ride their way out of a paper bag. :blah:
So, have fun, be cool, and I might see you guys up there somewhere.
MTB_Rob_NC
03-03-2005, 02:31 PM
I once ran into a truckful of wasted semen from Florida who had no business being in Pisgah (or Earth for that matter). They were on Karpiel Army's riding XC trails, and doing drops off of rocks right at the hikers feet at the bottom of the fish hatchery trail. Totally inconsiderate, not to mention that they could not ride their way out of a paper bag. :blah:
For the record I do not know anyone that has a Karpiel! :thumb:
bizutch
03-03-2005, 02:47 PM
Oh boy. Here we go............
First of all, I wasn't aware that mountian biking on the verge of being banned in Pisgah.
Secondly, why don't you guys say what you mean.
What you guys should have said was "You are outsiders, stay out of our riding spot, go back to your own state, stay away stay away!"
I get it. I get that you guys are a bunch paranoid (bleeeeeeeps).
Yeah and I forgot that Pisgah & Dupont Forests were some secret sacred magical forests that only certain little elves knew about and were permitted and if caught "shuttling" the DER Ogre would smite them into oblivion.
Did I miss something? Did we "advertise" something illegal?
Now, none of you would have cried foul if the so called forbidden "s" word wouldn't have been mentioned. For some reason that has a negative connotation attached to it?
If T66 would have said "Hi, guys were planning on doing a group ride in Pisgah and we plan on pedaling up all the hills. Who wants to go?", that would've been politically and socially correct right?
What exactly is outlaw here? Group riding or not riding your bike up the mountain?
If organizing a group (barely a group at that) ride is illegal in Pisgah then why do sites like this exist:
http://www.mtbikewnc.com/
We're going to ride our bicycles in Pisgah. What difference does it make how we get to the top?
So on the behalf of myself and T66, I recind the former invitation to join us.
We have our crew, you guys can pound salt. And we won't leave a tire track, footprint or Bud can in your beloved Pisgah forest.
Oh I forgot........shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle shuttle !
you related to Chris Warren.....
Here is the deal.
Pisgah is an awesome place to ride a bike. No secret there. Anybody who rides there feels really lucky to have that network of trails close to them, and they do not want to see anything happen to them.
I ride in pisgah at least every other weekend.
And I honestly shuttle there about every 1 in 10 rides.
There are a few reasons for that.
1- Pisgah is more suited to trail bikes, and DH rigs are overkill on most stuff out there.
2- Even on alot of the "shuttles" there, you end up having to push your azz off on a DH rig. And places like Farlow, you really get into some Last of the Mohican shiznit.
3- Alot of the best trails, you cannot really shuttle anyway, and you less likely to run into hikers on some of the remote areas that you have to climb to.
And if you do shuttle, it is best to be done in a small group with one vehicle,
and be like Fonzie when driving up and down the roads, because if one thing will get the trails shut down for us quick it is acting like a douche baloon on the fireroads.
The reason the locals get jazzed up on this is for the simple fact that they have seen idiots shuttling up there before.
I once ran into a truckful of wasted semen from Florida who had no business being in Pisgah (or Earth for that matter). They were on Karpiel Army's riding XC trails, and doing drops off of rocks right at the hikers feet at the bottom of the fish hatchery trail. Totally inconsiderate, not to mention that they could not ride their way out of a paper bag. :blah:
So, have fun, be cool, and I might see you guys up there somewhere.
Your concern is understandable and commendable.
But, there are some other fudgeknuckles on here making pretty gross assumptions about us.
We won't be on big DH rigs..Karpiels?....ha ha ha. We won't be in full on DH armor. We won't hucking off the trails onto hikers. We won't be redneckin up the fireroads.
We won't be building stunts........etc., etc.
Our crew is about respect cuz we appreciate riding places like Pisgah just as much as you locals do.
Respect!
Jeremy R
03-03-2005, 02:58 PM
For the record I do not know anyone that has a Karpiel! :thumb:
Oh, this was years ago and certainly not your crew. It is the only group of guys on bikes that I have ever met that I did not consider bikers. First, they told me all they did in Florida was ride off loading docks and urban hucks, and that they never rode trails. They complained endlessly every time they had to walk their fat azzes up a hill, even though I told them they were gonna have to. See, I was doing a trail ride on a 4 inch Tracer and hooked up with them, and told them where to go. I climbed the road that they shuttled, and tried to show them around. They then proceeded to b1tch and moan every time the trail was a little muddy or if they had to cross a puddle. I got tired of listening to them and proceeded to smoke them to the bottom. I did wait for them near the fish hatchery so I could tell them how to get back to their truck. After what seemed like forever, one of them pulled up , saw a group of hikers and dropped a rock right at their feet, and they all started yelling.
It was miserable. Now I just wave when I see a truck full of people that I do not know. ;)
you related to Chris Warren.....
Ha ha......
No relation. Never met him. Have heard of him.
What are you trying to say?
biggins
03-03-2005, 04:13 PM
this thread is pretty f'n retarded at this point.
i ride pisgah all the time i shuttle pisgah all the time. I think people are jumping to conclusions in lots of different areas. i see a few things that need to happen.
1. dont be so quick to judge poeople by what they say on here.
2. people that always pedal or primarily pedal uphill are going to have to get used to the people that dont.
3. people need to exhibit respect for the land, anyone using, and the people that manage it. thats regardless of where you are, even if it if someones backyard jumps, it should just be a givin.
4. the forest service is going to have to come tp terms with this use one way or the other. It is a ligitimate and growing use that is still less impactfull than a stampede of horses running down some of the trails all weekend long.
these are just my thoughts. you guys go have fun and shuttle. i wish i could make it but i have a job interview on saturday.
this thread is pretty f'n retarded at this point.
i ride pisgah all the time i shuttle pisgah all the time. I think people are jumping to conclusions in lots of different areas. i see a few things that need to happen.
1. dont be so quick to judge poeople by what they say on here.
2. people that always pedal or primarily pedal uphill are going to have to get used to the people that dont.
3. people need to exhibit respect for the land, anyone using, and the people that manage it. thats regardless of where you are, even if it if someones backyard jumps, it should just be a givin.
4. the forest service is going to have to come tp terms with this use one way or the other. It is a ligitimate and growing use that is still less impactfull than a stampede of horses running down some of the trails all weekend long.
these are just my thoughts. you guys go have fun and shuttle. i wish i could make it but i have a job interview on saturday.
I agree on all points. Thank you & yes we will.
call one of my friends a "Chris Warren"! You should be banned for such vularity :nono: !
I gotta take responsiblity for the thread derailment. My first reply about "not giving a rat's ass..." seemed to be the real turning point next time I'll make it obvious when I'm being sarcastic.
No more posted shuttle runs at Pisgah. I'll be more discreet in the future.
Later Guys
biggins
03-03-2005, 06:34 PM
well feel free to post about rides in pisgah, you just may wanna title the thread something like Pisah........ or riding pisgah on......... the rest will work itself out.
mattmatt86
03-03-2005, 08:29 PM
ill be there as long as someone else will be there, so who else is goin?
as long as the rain holds off there are 5 of us going. Last I checked Brevard has a chance of showers in the afternoon. As long as it's not raining in the early AM we heading up.
I'll post a cancellation here by 0630 if we bag due to weather.
See ya there.
mattmatt86
03-04-2005, 07:27 AM
alright sounds great, sycamore bike shop around 9ish? anyone else riding with a full face? last time i rode with a fully, just curious
Crazy Dan
03-04-2005, 02:58 PM
anyone else riding with a full face?
I probably will. I just got my teeth cleaned the other day and I want to keep them a little longer.
T-Pirate
03-04-2005, 05:44 PM
I'm gonna have serious trouble being at sycamore at 9. I can try, but 10 would really work better.
I'm not taking my full face, I'll prob wear legs.
T-Pirate
03-04-2005, 05:45 PM
Also, I know the area got a little snow during the week, anyone know if brevard got snow?
mattmatt86
03-04-2005, 06:11 PM
im planning on getting there by 930 at the latest but if you are for sure coming im sure we can all wait around till 10ish for you, the more the merrier. As for the snow, i have no idea, it just rained here (clemson)
T-Pirate
03-04-2005, 11:44 PM
Well I'm kind of guiding this so I gotta be there at 9. I'm havin trouble getting any sleep so driving up at 7:30 is not gonna be fun.
bizutch
03-05-2005, 07:25 PM
Well I'm kind of guiding this so I gotta be there at 9. I'm havin trouble getting any sleep so driving up at 7:30 is not gonna be fun.
too much late night internet porn
T-Pirate
03-06-2005, 11:17 AM
too much late night internet porn
Not funny....I have a blister.
MTB_Rob_NC
03-07-2005, 08:16 AM
Not funny....I have a blister.
Like he said too much internet porn? :blah:
Jeremy R
03-07-2005, 09:56 AM
I'll prob wear legs.
Yes, because pedaling really sucks without them. :dancing:
T-Pirate
03-07-2005, 07:35 PM
Like he said too much internet porn? :blah:
:thumb: You got it.
T-Pirate
03-07-2005, 07:36 PM
Yes, because pedaling really sucks without them. :dancing:
You should come out to the T-spot again. The Desert is in perfect shape, the trails have a new line since you rode them, with a way faster start, and we built a sweet stepdown in the woods yesterday.
bizutch
03-07-2005, 09:04 PM
You should come out to the T-spot again. The Desert is in perfect shape, the trails have a new line since you rode them, with a way faster start, and we built a sweet stepdown in the woods yesterday.
am I blacklisted??? :o:
Jeremy R
03-08-2005, 09:12 AM
am I blacklisted??? :o:
Yeah, I told them about the time we spent all day building a landing for this jump in Greenville, and then you came through, landed on top of it and hiroshima-ed the landing into a big pile of dust and broken dreams. :sneaky:
And T, I will be out there as soon as my parts get here! :mumble:
bizutch
03-08-2005, 09:51 AM
Yeah, I told them about the time we spent all day building a landing for this jump in Greenville, and then you came through, landed on top of it and hiroshima-ed the landing into a big pile of dust and broken dreams. :sneaky:
And T, I will be out there as soon as my parts get here! :mumble:
so says the great flying turtle! :nuts:
T-Pirate
03-08-2005, 05:46 PM
am I blacklisted??? :o:
Now that piney's about to be gone, you can hit up our trails too. Too bad they don't have a sweet mountain like piney. We still have a lot of fun stuff to session and we're finally getting into building new stuff again.
bizutch
03-08-2005, 09:26 PM
are you talking about home depot??? is that known as piney?
bradical
03-10-2005, 02:03 PM
Yup, It's pretty much toast. The backside of the mountain is gone. There was still some ridable stuff out there, and I hate to be so pessimistic. Maybe there's still a chance for something out there? I guess you guys should be the decider of that.
Sucks though, it had actual elevation loss, and it was a little more than 8 miles from my house.
T-Pirate
03-10-2005, 07:35 PM
are you talking about home depot??? is that known as piney?
The mountain is Piney Mountain. But yes they are building very nice houses atop it.
profro
04-28-2005, 01:32 PM
agreed. From now on, when trails get closed, just remember good old T66. :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :angry:
I thought I would bring this thread back to remind us of what has happened and why.
I thought I would bring this thread back to remind us of what has happened and why.
Would you care to elaborate?
profro
04-28-2005, 01:38 PM
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117523
MTB_Rob_NC
04-28-2005, 01:43 PM
Would you care to elaborate?
That doesn't exactly say why. It says what happened, do you have specific information that links the 2?
profro
04-28-2005, 01:56 PM
Nothing other than the people who operate and patronize the horse stables have commented to the rangers about the the increased bike and vehicluar traffic related to the shuttling of Perry. I can only assume that the rangers felt it best to make them illegal to bikes. Everyone thought that we were being dicks to just be elitist, but we have been around long enough to know that this kind of stuff happens. So learn your lessons and move on.
Nothing other than the people who operate and patronize the horse stables have commented to the rangers about the the increased bike and vehicluar traffic related to the shuttling of Perry. I can only assume that the rangers felt it best to make them illegal to bikes. Everyone thought that we were being dicks to just be elitist, but we have been around long enough to know that this kind of stuff happens. So learn your lessons and move on.
And your blaming this thread for the trail closure?
People weren't shuttling those trails before this thread was started?
profro
04-28-2005, 02:06 PM
The traffic and use of that trail were too great this season to go un-noticed by the other Pisgah users and the Rangers. This thread was a part of that.
MTB_Rob_NC
04-28-2005, 02:16 PM
Nothing other than the people who operate and patronize the horse stables have commented to the rangers about the the increased bike and vehicluar traffic related to the shuttling of Perry. I can only assume that the rangers felt it best to make them illegal to bikes. Everyone thought that we were being dicks to just be elitist, but we have been around long enough to know that this kind of stuff happens. So learn your lessons and move on.
Ok I am not trying to bust your chops or be an a$$. But this information is important. Its not a personal attack at you, but you are the one posting the information, hence the questions are directed towards you.
Are you a Ranger, or the operator of the horse stables? Do you have first hand information that you are not sharing? Did a Ranger say to you vehicle traffic or bikes specifically was an issue? Was it parking along the gravel road? Shenanigan's driving up? Were there erosion issues? Maybe it was the confusion of the seasonal/not season Bennet/Perry thing. There are a ton of possibile reasons. To assume it is one over the other isnt necessarily a good thing.
The last thing I want to do is ride a trail (or do anything for that matter) that may jeapordize MTB access in the Pisgah Forest, but at the same time I have every right to ride the legal trails in whatever manor I see fit. Wether it be starting at the top and ending on the bottom, then driving up to get my car or in a loop. I tend to travel with large groups and will continue to do so, that area is a tourist destination, and from my observation of the Davidson River Campground (not the actual RMfest site) during the RMFest I would imagine at least 1/3 campsites had mountain bikes perched some where.
This thread was a part of that.
You're a silly jackass.
This was obviously a problem BEFORE this thread was posted.
I'm real sorry the trail closed, but look elsewhere to lay the blame.
If this thread was part of that closure, it was miniscule at best.
motomike
04-28-2005, 02:30 PM
I think that all he meant was that we were talking about this awhile ago, and now it has happened. Thats all. He lives far away and is not affiliated, nor is one of the rangers/horse keepers. He was just trying to bring this to our attension.
profro
04-28-2005, 03:15 PM
Thanks Mike.
I was contacted by a respected member of the MTB community that asked me to post this on Ridemonkey, as he does not post here. He owns a shop in the Bevard region and I am sure he's just as let down by this, as we all are.
I'm surprised the "Sheriff of Pisgah Forest" hasn't chimed in yet.........um.....what's his name.........oh.......Bizutch.
Greyhound
04-28-2005, 03:57 PM
I'm surprised the "Sheriff of Pisgah Forest" hasn't chimed in yet.........um.....what's his name.........oh.......Bizutch.
Yes........someone who cares about the forest and its preservation. Oh the horror.
Listen to what guys like Butch have to say....they're the ones who live there and understand the issues. They're not just talking out of their butt. This stuff is important, man. You can't just ignore trail closure issues like that without wanting to get to the root of the problem and trying to fix it.
RESPECT the mountains, yo.
bizutch
04-28-2005, 03:58 PM
I'm surprised the "Sheriff of Pisgah Forest" hasn't chimed in yet.........um.....what's his name.........oh.......Bizutch.
Yeah fockchop you're a real funny douche of a guy calling me out. And Rob, just man the hell up and own up to contributing to the trail's closure!
You don't know dick about that trail and usage of it in the past 6-8 years like I do. Myself and a small crew of people have shuttled it for 5-6 years now. The usage of it as a "DH" trail was virtually nothing because we never hit it up more than a few times in a year. I can guarantee you I could name every person who had ridden or shuttled it on 2 hands at the time. Until recently it was very much unknown as a shuttle.
This last fall people listed it on MTBR and Ridemonkey as a "DH trail" and gave explicit directions and hyped it up. This fall and winter, it coincidentally got more usage in that manner in a month than it had seen in 3-4 years total, in large part due to all the posts on Ridemonkey and MTBR about it's availability.
Try to fein that you aren't "responsible" for being a MAJOR contributor to it getting closed, but you are. Just friggin' own up and don't everybody act like you didn't add to the problem.
Don't even try to pretend that Perry was SHUT down to bikes completely IMMEDIATELY after the "Monkeyfest" happened to be a coincidence??? That is a load of crap. I'm sure it's nothing to you to come up here and take a crap in the Forest and leave us to sit in your **** for the rest of our lives. You'll just "tourist" someplace else.
I'm not happy about being right, but just sitting happily in Florida and saying "well, I saw lots of mountain bikes there" that weren't mine???
I also don't pretend that I'm not at fault. I shuttled it...the difference being it was about 1-3 times a year in the dead of Winter with 3-4 riders who understood the delicate nature of the situation and we maintained a very low profile and work with the Forest Service in this area on a regular basis to keep trails open to us. We ALL got it closed. That stupid Monkeyfest made sure to seal the deal.
The part that PISSES ME OFF...is that I will live here the rest of my life and now my local trail is shut down and you guys act like it 's no frickin' big deal. What if I came down and brought a group of 25-30 locals down and threw me a little festival at Markham park and got it shut down?
This is so disturbing. I loved that place.
Yeah fockchop you're a real funny douche of a guy calling me out.
Fockchop? That's Robin Hood to you Sheriff.
Your almighty-ness is summoned to the carpet because you're a lip flappin' hypocrite.
"I also don't pretend that I'm not at fault. I shuttled it...the difference being it was about 1-3 times a year in the dead of Winter with 3-4 riders who understood the delicate nature of the situation and we maintained a very low profile and work with the Forest Service in this area on a regular basis to keep trails open to us."
"I'm at fault too.....BUT (insert disclaimer here)....."............ hypocrite.
Look here Bizitch, I deeply regret that trail got closed. That blows for everyone especially you guys that live close by. The 3-5 of us (Hmmm familiar numbers to you) really enjoyed ourselves for the whole 2 runs and 3 hours that we were there. We were discreet as whitetail deer and complete gentlemen in the woods. Much like you say you are. We have only the utmost respect for some one else's backyard.
If we could go back in time and remove that post, we would. BUT......(sound familiar hypocrite) as far as we knew, and with the info that was available to us, not being locals and all, those trails were publicly accessible and there was no way we could be privvy to the "sensitivity of the situation" or the local unwritten law of "don't post a ride in Pisgah".
If we contributed to its downfall with that thread, then we apologize to everyone including you Mr. Hypocrite.
Your little rant screams of the same message that it did last time:
"Don't even try to pretend that Perry was SHUT down to bikes completely IMMEDIATELY after the "Monkeyfest" happened to be a coincidence??? That is a load of crap. I'm sure it's nothing to you to come up here and take a crap in the Forest and leave us to sit in your **** for the rest of our lives. You'll just "tourist" someplace else."
Message is:
Locals only! Outsiders keep out and "you gotta perdy mouth boy".
That's why I will affectionately refer to you as the "Sheriff of Pisgah.
And BTW I do believe it was coincidental.
"The part that PISSES ME OFF...is that I will live here the rest of my life and now my local trail is shut down and you guys act like it 's no frickin' big deal."
(YAWN) Your such an arsehole.
What makes you think myself or anyone else doesn't care? I'm sure there are those who don't, but how do make a generalization like that?
Once again, I'm truly sorry Perry was closed but channel your anger elsewhere.
We are in the same boat as you........one less place to ride.
Now I remember why I hate rm.... ;) people have way too much damn time to type novels in posts here!
los jefes
04-28-2005, 09:28 PM
I'll throw in my two cents. I live here. I've shuttled here. I've done quite a bit of trail maintenance here. I don't think the monkeyfest was the straw that broke the camel's back. There is absolutely NO evidence that it did. But, the amount of shuttling that has happened in the last two years on Bennet/Perry has increased immeasurably (sp?). Some of it because of internet forums, some of it do to shops that told people it was a good shuttle (including the one in Brevard that leaked the info in the first place). What it boils down to is that the trails were not cut and designed with amount of use in mind. It does not drain like Tsali and is more susceptible to damage. Rangers, volunteers and hired hands have done a tremendous amount of work out there recently (some good, some bad) and shuttling, lack of sustainability and overuse have shut this down. These are not good DH trails. They may be fun, but a 7inch bike is WAY more bike than needed on ANY trail in Pisgah. That is a crutch used to compensate for lack of skill. There are lots of locals who roast on a 4" bike and have more fun and will go bigger than most. Sorry, that is not the point. Pisgah is not a DH destination. It is a National Forest and access is fragile. Think of good DH spots that any of you guys know of. They are NOT in a National Forest. Ski slopes, Private land, bike parks, etc. Please keep this in mind. Sorry for the long post.
bizutch
04-28-2005, 10:04 PM
EIO, I'm not having this little pissing contest with you. I never said locals only. I tried to WARN EVERY SINGLE person on this forum that if they all turned to that trail as a DH run of choice, it would get shut down. Well, apparently the majority chose to ignore that. I NEVER told people to go away or not ride in Pisgah. That is out of my control.
I tried to discourage the masses from using Bennett and Perry as a DH destination. There is nothing elitist or exclusive about it. My concern was for preservation of a trail and a trail system in general. The Forest Service is a small organization and very tight nit.
Until this point, the US Forest Service HAS NEVER had to shut a trail down in Pisgah due to excessive bike traffic or shuttling efforts. It has only been an issue in other regions, primarily out west. This is the FIRST time the Forest Service has shut a trail down due to the actions of DH use.
What has now happened is a PRECEDENT that did not exist on in Pisgah ever before. Certain trails have been blocked for bike use, but never due to shuttling. The Forest Service is now the "Empire" and we are the "Rebels" and they know we exist now. They now have a very heightened awareness of our type of riding.
This has a waterfall effect on all types of mountain bikers in Pisgah for the simple fact it now makes it justifiable to ban bikes from other trails because they have a glaring example of our most extreme impact. It won't matter to the Forest Service what kind of way you access a trail from now on. They will be able to group any trail of similar grade or usage in the same category as bennett/perry cove and be validated in banning bikes from those trails.
That is all...
And Rob is my main target...he essentially said "It's a tourist destination, so what..." I take issue with that.
MTB_Rob_NC
04-29-2005, 12:18 AM
And Rob, just man the hell up and own up to contributing to the trail's closure!
Dont be an arse towards me. First off I do not deserve it, but even more importantly to you, because I can be a bigger one, and have much less to lose.
None of those trails you see pictures are from Bennet or Perry asshat. I did not ride either of those trails while I was up there. Youd think you would know your own freaking trails. Or maybe you would just learn to freaking read (the captions/picture thread) where we said what we had ridden.
Nothing was poached other then MAYBE jumping on the bikes too early from the top of the Parkway on Trace (we were WELL out of site), a legal BIKE trail ALL YEAR ROUND. Dumba$$. We even then proceeded to pedal back up the fireroad to go down Spencer. Godforbid. Its not like the exact same information isnt available in 3-5 BOOKS sold in every Bike shop in a 100 mile radius.
How about YOU man up and apologize.
Go ahead I am waiting.
The part that PISSES ME OFF...is that I will live here the rest of my life and now my local trail is shut down and you guys act like it 's no frickin' big deal. What if I came down and brought a group of 25-30 locals down and threw me a little festival at Markham park and got it shut down?
Bring it, 25-30 riders additional riders wouldnt even be noticed at our park on the weekend. We only have 4 places to ride and a population of 6 MILLION people. Good luck shuttling, you will need to bring your own mountain.
Your trail isnt closed because of any one particular instance. Unless you have some solid evidence that says MY (and other RMgathering participants) riding in North MILLS on Saturday (or even the guys on Sunday) contributed even 1 iota more then you ever have by riding it at any time in the past STFU and deal with it.
The funny thing is, every piece of Shuttling information I have learned is from Asheville/Pisgah area locals (not Biggins, he only showed me the Brown Mtn Death march) and bike shops. All I ever did was walk in and ask. Go ahead tell your favorite LBS to stop giving tourists information and see how long they stay in business.
Go figure, I dont even ride a Dh bike.
:stosh:
ps.. for the record. I have shuttled Perry/Bennet twice on one day, while it was open (at least 2 years ago) in my entire life. I can totally see how I contributed.
The Tourist point is that the majority of people asking for information will always be folks from out of town.
edited out some drunken nastiness (I should not post at 1am after drunken kickball)
mtnbiker66
04-29-2005, 05:48 AM
Los Jefes,I live here too. I remember riding bennet rigid cro-mo and a lot of people would complain then.The last 6mo I have seen a lot of DH bikes in trucks heading up to the trailhead.With the horse stables right at the bottom you can see the conflict in the area. I could see this coming for a while.As far as the monkeyfest thing,I ran into lots of people from Canada doing DH runs this winter. They thought it was a good place to get in winter DH practice.When I tried to explain the user conflict thing they just looked at me like I had spiders crawling out of my ears. :confused:
los jefes
04-29-2005, 07:14 AM
Uhhhh. What's your point. I said I don't think it was monkeyfest that shut it down and this has been a problem for the last couple of years.
biggins
04-29-2005, 09:05 AM
Los Jefes,I live here too. I remember riding bennet rigid cro-mo and a lot of people would complain then.The last 6mo I have seen a lot of DH bikes in trucks heading up to the trailhead.With the horse stables right at the bottom you can see the conflict in the area. I could see this coming for a while.As far as the monkeyfest thing,I ran into lots of people from Canada doing DH runs this winter. They thought it was a good place to get in winter DH practice.When I tried to explain the user conflict thing they just looked at me like I had spiders crawling out of my ears. :confused:
thats because canadians dont have as many access issues, in my opinion.
biggins
04-29-2005, 09:08 AM
Nothing other than the people who operate and patronize the horse stables have commented to the rangers about the the increased bike and vehicluar traffic related to the shuttling of Perry. I can only assume that the rangers felt it best to make them illegal to bikes. Everyone thought that we were being dicks to just be elitist, but we have been around long enough to know that this kind of stuff happens. So learn your lessons and move on.
i agree with this completely.
I'll throw in my two cents. I live here. I've shuttled here. I've done quite a bit of trail maintenance here. I don't think the monkeyfest was the straw that broke the camel's back. There is absolutely NO evidence that it did. ............Some of it because of internet forums, some of it do to shops that told people it was a good shuttle (including the one in Brevard that leaked the info in the first place). What it boils down to is that the trails were not cut and designed with amount of use in mind. It does not drain like Tsali and is more susceptible to damage. Rangers, volunteers and hired hands have done a tremendous amount of work out there recently (some good, some bad) and shuttling, lack of sustainability and overuse have shut this down.
Exactly. And thinking back about it.....the day we were there, Perry was already pretty rutted in places. That kind of damage could only have happened over a period of time.
Bizutch, I've got no beef with you. Really.
I realize you're doing what you feel is necessary to preserve something you guys cherish. That is admirable.
Its just your approach and methodology I've noticed, that sets people on edge, including myself. So basically, I fock with you because it's real easy to get under your skin. Your blood pressure level shows right through in your posts.
But, I suppose that is because are passionate about what you love. So be it.
I'll say it again, I am sincerely sorry that trail got closed and now the "Empire" is watching. If you still believe our post sealed the fate of Perry.... I again am sorry.
But I will still disagree with you, because to me, this sounds like it was a long time coming.
The only thing I will cop to however, is ignorance of the situation at Pisgah. Had we known things were the way they were, we would not have made that post out of respect to the people, such as yourself, who frequent that area. I don't hang in here much so I was not aware of "the warnings".
Also for the record....none of us were on full-on DH bikes. I don't believe anyone had a bike over 6" and only a couple of us had FF helmets on.
I never ran into a situation like this out West, or anywhere else for that matter, so it did not occur to me (us).
I'm now laying down my hatchet................................
profro
04-29-2005, 10:24 AM
The only thing I will cop to however, is ignorance of the situation at Pisgah. Had we known things were the way they were, we would not have made that post out of respect to the people, such as yourself, who frequent that area. I don't hang in here much so I was not aware of "the warnings".
Also for the record....none of us were on full-on DH bikes. I don't believe anyone had a bike over 6" and only a couple of us had FF helmets on.
I never ran into a situation like this out West, or anywhere else for that matter, so it did not occur to me (us).
I'm now laying down my hatchet................................
That was the point we were trying to get across originally. We couldn't tell you not to ride or shuttle those trails, because we do it too. However we didn't want you advertising here to increase the numbers of your group. We felt that increased numbers would draw unwanted attention. Granted Butch is about as smooth at 00 sand paper, however trust me he has biking intrests and land access well in mind. I brought this thread back up in a way to say "we told you so", but I thought the lessons learned would be more valuable. Trust me I take no satisfaction in being right on this, because I, Butch, and Jeremy have lost way more than those who just "visit" Pisgah.
I really don't think its the type of bike that rode down it, but the stigma that goes along with shuttling. Shuttling tend to invoke a free-spirited, we don't care attitude (right or wrong it doesn't matter) and I think it was the increased shuttling and the preception that brings that lead to the closure.
bizutch
04-29-2005, 10:34 AM
Rob, you never once said you were not involved in the shuttling of Bennett. You stated you were in Pisgah, you were at Davidson River and I knew you were shuttling. I didn't have time to read the "review" of the Monkeyfest. If I had known that you weren't involved I wouldn't have pointed you out directly. But your statements made it seem that you were. For that I apologize.
But at the same time, anytime a group leader, i.e. Ben or Rob, brings a substantial group into Pisgah, it is best if you notify the Forest Service well in advance of your intentions. Todd Brammer got into lots of trouble with the Forest Service when he first started holding his "epics" in the Forest without prior notification. Since that time, he has spend hundreds of hours working on the trails in Pisgah, affiliated himself with Woody Keen's efforts, and always communicates with the Rangers well in advance to get "consent", not necessarily permission, but the blessings of the Forest Management.
With this in mind, in the future, Rob, Ben, etc...I would whole heartedly reccomend that if you intend on touring a substantial group in the forest on any given weekend for such excursions, let them know you're coming...that it is a one time thing, that you are responsible and let them know your intended routes through the forest. I thinkwe would all be perceived in a much better light if we communicate with the Rangers in advance instead of surprising them. That way they are less likely to become surprised or upset when you come into view.
To everyone else who's view is that it was a long time coming...perhaps. From the perspective of a local, I have witnessed the shuttling of Bennett/Perry expand exponentially in the last year and that is why I tried to fire off warning shots.
In regards to the erosion on Perry. Perry now is the EXACT same as it was 5 years ago the first time I rode it, if not slightly better. Bennet now...is by far BETTER than it was 5 years ago. Cyclists and hikers have made tremendous strides in maintaining the integrity of that trail. It sheds water very well. The steeps at the top of Perry are in better shape now than they were 5 years ago and again, thanks to trail work you would never realize (benching and shallow drains), it is less rutted and dries faster excluding that one flat spot in the middle...which of course is flat...so it's not gonna drain.
Again, it's my personal opinion that volume, not necessarily impact, have closed Perry to cyclists. Please see my "ideal scenario" in the Pisgah Trail Work thread started by Sanjuro.
That was the point we were trying to get across originally. We couldn't tell you not to ride or shuttle those trails, because we do it too. However we didn't want you advertising here to increase the numbers of your group. We felt that increased numbers would draw unwanted attention. Granted Butch is about as smooth at 00 sand paper, however trust me he has biking intrests and land access well in mind. I brought this thread back up in a way to say "we told you so", but I thought the lessons learned would be more valuable. Trust me I take no satisfaction in being right on this, because I, Butch, and Jeremy have lost way more than those who just "visit" Pisgah.
I really don't think its the type of bike that rode down it, but the stigma that goes along with shuttling. Shuttling tend to invoke a free-spirited, we don't care attitude (right or wrong it doesn't matter) and I think it was the increased shuttling and the preception that brings that lead to the closure.
Yes, I believe your point was obscured by Butch & Co.'s "sandpaper" assault.
Fair enough though.
Our intent, I suppose was misleading.
We really were just looking for someone to either show us around or point us in the right direcrion since we'd never been there before.
I guess it turned into an advertisement. That was accidental and once the fur started flying it only made it worse.
Like I said, had we known, we would have kept it on the low.
MTB_Rob_NC
04-29-2005, 10:47 AM
Rob, you never once said you were not involved in the shuttling of Bennett. ..... For that I apologize.
No problem thank you
But at the same time, anytime a group leader, i.e. Ben or Rob, brings a substantial group into Pisgah, it is best if you notify the Forest Service well in advance of your intentions.
Great advice, what is the best way to do that? Telephone? E-mail, stop in?
Any contact info you have would be greatly appreciated.
For the record this is the only shuttling I did on Sunday
http://www.clubmud.com/pisgah05pics/dsc00216.jpg
my ride even abandoned me on the bottom and I had to walk back up, the Luggage cart went up hill even crappier then it went down.
http://www.clubmud.com/pisgah05pics/dsc00215.jpg
biggins
04-29-2005, 10:51 AM
that bottom picture makes you look mentally handicapped.
also we DID NOT SHUTTLE BENNETT!
Jeremy R
04-29-2005, 10:54 AM
You guys need to kiss and make up.
No sense in finger pointing or any of that.
You should not have been blamed. It was not one weekend that got that place shutdown, but 3 years of overuse.
Anyway, as far as us getting kicked out of riding area that is not really true.
We were riding a shuttle that we have always done miles away from Pisgah (in SC actually on what is mostly private property. A ranger nicely told us that the entrance road is being shut down, and we can not use it anymore. We shook hands and left on a good note.
But my pizzy attitude this week is because I lost two good riding spots in a weekend. :mumble:
MTB_Rob_NC
04-29-2005, 10:58 AM
that bottom picture makes you look mentally handicapped.
Really? I thought it was more of a I gotta pee or something look, but ya I can totally see the retard angle.
disclaimer!.....no offense meant towards any actual retards, and no retards were harmed in any shuttling that went on that weekend.
biggins
04-29-2005, 11:01 AM
You guys need to kiss and make up.
No sense in finger pointing or any of that.
You should not have been blamed. It was not one weekend that got that place shutdown, but 3 years of overuse.
Anyway, as far as us getting kicked out of riding area that is not really true.
We were riding a shuttle that we have always done miles away from Pisgah (in SC actually on what is mostly private property. A ranger nicely told us that the entrance road is being shut down, and we can not use it anymore. We shook hands and left on a good note.
But my pizzy attitude this week is because I lost two good riding spots in a weekend. :mumble:
yeah the whole closure thing is getting real old real fast. Again i got set off by a couple of bad attitudes in here and adopted one myself.
i am now calm and thinking of solutions for the impending issues.
mtnbiker66
04-29-2005, 07:28 PM
Uhhhh. What's your point. I said I don't think it was monkeyfest that shut it down and this has been a problem for the last couple of years.
My only point was that I agree. Sorry for the confusion. :stupid:
JerseyDave
05-19-2005, 02:56 PM
Why the hell would you need a rig to ride those trails. The right bike for pisgah is a steel hard tail with a granny gear and a 4 inch fork. Shuttling Multi use trals is dumb, IMHO. Asking for problems down the road. Get off your lazy duffs and pedal. Trace ridge on a DH bike must be about as exciting as watching paint dry.
JerseyDave
05-19-2005, 02:57 PM
Why the hell would you need a rig to ride those trails. The right bike for pisgah is a steel hard tail with a granny gear and a 4 inch fork. Shuttling Multi use trals is dumb, IMHO. Asking for problems down the road. Get off your lazy duffs and pedal.
Why the hell would you need a rig to ride those trails. The right bike for pisgah is a steel hard tail with a granny gear and a 4 inch fork. Shuttling Multi use trals is dumb, IMHO. Asking for problems down the road. Get off your lazy duffs and pedal.
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seabass
05-20-2005, 05:20 AM
Shuttles are for pu**ies. Ride your damn bike and leave the shuttling for designated DH trails. Butch is right, the best trails in Pisgah are deep in the woods where hikers are few and far between. DH/Freeride is going to be the end of mtb'ing in alot of places. We are just scratching the surface of this problem here, but I assure you, it's about to get really bad.
and when I go there I want to get in as much riding as possible we like to "shuttle."
That doesn't make sense. "I want to get in as much riding as possible, so I drive a car around Pisgah". Huh.
Can this thread please go away now?
seabass
05-20-2005, 06:22 AM
Can this thread please go away now?
Says the guy who responded yesterday.
After going back and rereading my post above I thought it sounded rather x-countryish. I should have added that I too love to ride DH stuff and shuttle some trails myself, but there is a time and place. Pisgah on the weekends is NOT the time and place.
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