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N8
02-09-2005, 11:09 AM
Imagine that...

:thumb:


To stop Hillary, draft Condi
Dick Morris | 9 Feb

As she tours the continent after her Senate confirmation, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is like a rock star — her every movement, her every meeting covered by an adoring media.

America’s first black female secretary of state is doing in public what she has always done in private — speaking frankly about America’s priorities and the realities of the post-Cold War world. As she jokes with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, loosening up his dogmatic anti-American policies, lectures Russia about freedom and warns Israel of tough decisions ahead, one thing is obvious: A star is being born.

Traveling without the entourage customary for secretaries of state, on time, mapping out in advance her first six months of travel, Rice is a new force in American politics.

As the Republican Party casts about for a viable presidential candidate in 2008 to keep Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) out of the White House, attention will inevitably focus on Rice, the woman who may stand between Clinton and the presidency.

Since Bush’s success in Iraq has laid the basis for negotiation in the Middle East, there is every prospect that Rice may preside over a diplomatic triumph in catalyzing the discussions between Sharon and Abbas. The firm American stand in Iraq will also make more likely success in Korea and Iran, all of which would add to the prestige of Rice.

The political fact is that a Rice candidacy would destroy the electoral chances of the Democratic Party by undermining its demographic base. John Kerry got 54 percent of his vote from three groups that, together, account for about a third of the American electorate: African-Americans, Hispanics and single white women. Rice would cut deeply into any Democrat’s margin among these three groups and would, most especially, deny Clinton the strong support she would otherwise receive from each of them.

Rice’s credentials for a candidacy are extensive and will grow throughout her tenure at the State Department. As former chancellor of Stanford University, she would have much in common with the pre-political careers of Woodrow Wilson and Dwight Eisenhower, presidents of Princeton and Columbia universities. Her service as national security adviser during a war and her current efforts as secretary of state demonstrate her ability to handle crises and to conduct herself with dignity and impact on the world stage.

As a social conservative and deeply religious person, she would face no bar in winning the votes of the Christian right, so crucial to winning the Republican nomination. Unlike former New York Mayor Rudy Guiliani (R) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) — both of whom could probably win in November — she would be very attractive to the pro-life, anti-gun-control, anti-affirmative-action base of the GOP.

America longs to put the period on the disgraceful chapter in our nation’s history that began when the first slave arrived at Jamestown, Va., more than 400 years ago. We also want to send a message to every girl, and every African-American or Hispanic baby, that there is no ceiling and that you can rise as far as your ability will carry you. The day Condi Rice is sworn in as president, regardless of the fate of her administration, that message and the punctuation of our history of racism will be obvious.

Of course, she isn’t running — nor is there any indication that she is harboring thoughts of a candidacy. But as her visibility increases, so will her viability. It may just be possible to draft Condi into the race. A real presidential draft movement hasn’t happened since 1952, when Republicans urged Eisenhower to get into the race. A draft-Condi movement seems almost antiquated in this era of ambitious and self-promoting candidates, but it may well fill a deep need in the electorate to vote for someone who is running in response to a genuine call of the people.

Condi Rice is a work in progress. Her rise has been impelled by her merits and achievements rather than any efforts on her part to curry favor in the media. She is still working and still progressing. But keep your eye on this political star. It is rising and may one day be ascendant.

TheMontashu
02-09-2005, 05:25 PM
I hope not

.:Jeenyus:.
02-10-2005, 12:54 AM
I hope not

:stupid:

I'm actually agreeing with TheMontashu on something :help:

Toshi
02-10-2005, 01:20 AM
i hope we never again see a neocon in office after gwb's tenure ends.

Changleen
02-10-2005, 02:26 AM
i hope we never again see a neocon in office after gwb's tenure ends....word...

N8
02-10-2005, 07:57 AM
Oh come on... she's a very smart black woman... isn't that like every libs wet-dream for President of the US?

Me thinks thou smackth of racism und sexism...

:rolleyes:

Westy
02-10-2005, 08:04 AM
Oh come on... she's a very smart black woman... isn't that like every libs wet-dream for President of the US?

Me thinks thou smackth of racism und sexism...

:rolleyes:

She is not married, I see this as her biggest problem. The moral family value folks wouldn't go for it.

Jr_Bullit
02-10-2005, 08:25 AM
She is not married, I see this as her biggest problem. The moral family value folks wouldn't go for it.

Actually, that's probably not true unless she has a kid outta wedlock, or sneaks her lover into the white house...

Look at Queen Elizabeth...was loved, adored, and ruled firmly in an age when Women were still sub-citizen.

And N8 :rolleyes: I would think it says something about what people "think" of race/gender/etc if they're willing to pass over that as their reason for voting or not, and instead focus on the individual's policies.

Besides - can't we have a pair of candidates other than Clinton/Rice? I'm not sure I'd want either one in office, and can we stop with the whole family dynasty or administration dynasty crap and start over with a new group of players?

T-Dog
02-10-2005, 08:48 AM
I'd rather see her in as vice president.....assuming that she does well as secretary of state it would continue established relationships with other heads of states, since alot of what the VP does is diplomatic.

mack
02-10-2005, 01:29 PM
she will be the only one to stop hillary i think. From a political viewpoint she is not a pussy who stayed with her cheating husband, and will get the black vote.

that would be a big feat for her, first black and woman president, although to me that doesnt mean anything, I still think that she would make a great president.

mack
02-10-2005, 01:30 PM
And N8 :rolleyes: I would think it says something about what people "think" of race/gender/etc if they're willing to pass over that as their reason for voting or not, and instead focus on the individual's policies.


exactly... PC makes me mad.

Damn True
02-13-2005, 10:20 PM
Yeah for the NAACP!

scrublover
02-14-2005, 01:32 AM
yeah, 'cause the old, rich, fat, white guys of republican power would even support that in any way.

and there is no way she'd have a chance without that support.

that, and way too much of the country is still far to racist/sexist/bigoted to elect her, or hillary for that matter.

Damn True
02-14-2005, 11:37 AM
I think most republicans would vote for Pedro before they voted for Hillary.

Better dead than red, better anyone than Hillary.

mack
02-14-2005, 04:10 PM
Dude, id vote pedro before i voted for that Bitch and her healthcare plan...

N8
02-25-2005, 12:46 PM
Matrix trench and F-me boots...

:thumb:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050223/capt.mnz13502231239.germany_bush_visit_mnz135.jpg

fluff
02-25-2005, 01:00 PM
Shirley'd hit it...

JMAC
02-25-2005, 03:12 PM
If condi becomes president I'm for sure moving to either NZ or OZ to geta s far from her as possible. First thing I would do is hand in my US citizenship. :dead: :rolleyes:

N8
02-25-2005, 03:42 PM
If condi becomes president I'm for sure moving to either NZ or OZ to geta s far from her as possible. First thing I would do is hand in my US citizenship. :dead: :rolleyes:

Why wait? Do it now!

$tinkle
02-25-2005, 04:52 PM
If condi becomes president I'm for sure moving to either NZ or OZ to geta s far from her as possible. First thing I would do is hand in my US citizenship. :dead: :rolleyes:is it because she's black?...or a woman?...or because of her political affiliation?

any one of these 3 is against most EOE policies. nothing like a little bit of intolerance to stifle healthy discussion.

JMAC
02-25-2005, 05:34 PM
is it because she's black?...or a woman?...or because of her political affiliation?

any one of these 3 is against most EOE policies. nothing like a little bit of intolerance to stifle healthy discussion.

I honestly don;t believe she think she is black....or a women. Yes I disagree with just about every one of her "policies". I don;t care weather the person I vote for is male/female, black or asian, doesn't matter to me. I just think she is even more evil than Bush..... :mumble:

ummbikes
02-25-2005, 07:53 PM
is it because she's black?...or a woman?...or because of her political affiliation?

any one of these 3 is against most EOE policies. nothing like a little bit of intolerance to stifle healthy discussion.

What do employment laws have to do with who we elect president? Oh, thats right, nothing.

So is the plan throw the race card at anyone who is against Rice? Do you really believe that just because she is black and a woman she gets a free pass on her policies?

This the best you can do? Really? :stosh:

ALEXIS_DH
02-25-2005, 09:42 PM
I think most republicans would vote for Pedro before they voted for Hillary.

Better dead than red, better anyone than Hillary.


say what?? vote for me for president of the US.

my first name is Pedro.
Pedro Alexis Lopez Salas for presidente!!!

N8
02-26-2005, 10:26 AM
say what?? vote for me for president of the US.

my first name is Pedro.
Pedro Alexis Lopez Salas for presidente!!!


Too amny freekin' names.... change it to Perdo Smith and you might have a chance.

mack
02-26-2005, 03:36 PM
Yes, if you had it changed to smith you could swing that catholic thing.

TheInedibleHulk
02-27-2005, 03:34 AM
Hillary will never get elected, and I hope to god the dems find someone better to run in 08. Im all about having a woman or an african american or both in the oval office, but I would prefer it not be a war mongering bitch or a kiss ass liberal-at-all-costs bitch. If the reps want to beat hillary, all they need to do is run a conservative man against her and sexism will do the rest. Although, condi would probably be a good choice because alot of stupid quasi-liberals would vote for her just because she is black and a woman, without actually considering what she stands for.

fluff
02-27-2005, 01:42 PM
Too amny freekin' names.... change it to Perdo Smith and you might have a chance.
To mnay ferkin' tpyos...

ALEXIS_DH
02-27-2005, 02:13 PM
Too amny freekin' names.... change it to Perdo Smith and you might have a chance.


thats nuthin.
my mom is Aurora Maria Salas Ricketts Rey de Castro. :blah:

good thing for my marketing as president of the US am not ricketts rey de castro.

$tinkle
02-27-2005, 02:51 PM
IYes I disagree with just about every one of her "policies".just so no one here thinks you're talking out of your pooper, do list 5 of her policies, and where they lack merit (in your opinion, or most likely someone else's).

anything short of this will be met without any shock nor dismay whatsoever.

$tinkle
02-27-2005, 02:55 PM
What do employment laws have to do with who we elect president? Oh, thats right, nothing.

So is the plan throw the race card at anyone who is against Rice? Do you really believe that just because she is black and a woman she gets a free pass on her policies?

This the best you can do? Really? :stosh:maybe now you can begin to appreciate my disgust for those who do likewise (i.e. claiming of voter disenfranchisement, cops are racists when they beat some tweaked out felon who first assault them). it was a "backatcha" post; i thought surely you could tell.

ummbikes
02-27-2005, 07:19 PM
As far as her policies, she is a hawk, which is not a stance I personally believe will be effective in dealing with Islamic radicals. I do think we need to see how she performs over the nex few years, however.

If she can minimize the neocon/fascist republican influences around Bush (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld etc.) and garner enough power to return the GOP to a less taxes, less government influence, less fascist platform I would give her serious consideration.

What most liberals forget is that THEY are also a big part of the problem. The democrats let their power slip at the same time the Republicans were joining factions. So we have what we have.

Personally, I want to pay less taxes, have more personal freedom, and see goverment work as lean and effective as the company I work for has to in order to stay profitable. The Republicans just seem to want to spend $ on the military.

ALEXIS_DH
02-27-2005, 10:27 PM
....The Republicans just seem to want to spend $ on the military....

thats their version of the big trucks, they gotta make up to themselves for the tiny "i-use-tweezers-when-i-go-to-pee-pee" manhood.

clancy98
02-28-2005, 08:07 AM
If condi becomes president I'm for sure moving to either NZ or OZ to geta s far from her as possible. First thing I would do is hand in my US citizenship. :dead: :rolleyes:

you can join all the folks that moved to canada after the 04 reelection.

oh wait.