Dont Get Screwed By This Guy

[korked7]

Recently I did a trade with DHGH. I traded my 03 Santa Cruz Bullit and Arrow rear rim laced to an XT hub for his Cortina DHE-8 with rear Mavic 321 rim laced to a Ringle hub. We went through shops to make sure there was no scams. Making sure that the frames got boxed up all nice and that the frames were infact being shiped out. Everything went well untill today. I got the frame on Monday the 31st of January and today (wednsday the 2nd of Feb.) I took it into my LBS (Go-Ride.com's store) to get it built up. They were looking over it and found a large crack in the weld under the head tube, one on the weld of the gusset on the top tube, and one in the swing arm. I called him up and asked him if he would like to either A. Re-Trade bikes (he complained of my bike being in poor condition aswell so i figured he wouldnt have a problem) or B. Pay to have the bike sent back to Cortina at the price of about $650 USD to get the swing arm repaired and the front end completly replaced. He denied both options and said "thats too bad, its the way buying used equipment goes" I am 100% aware of the risks taken when buying/trading over the internet but he was so adament about getting everything perfect so no one is screwed over in the end. I figured he'd try to be helpful. Boy was I wrong. Anyway he told me that he had Cortina go over the frame and service it. He also said the frame had'nt been ridden since it got serviced. The frames pivots were dirty and they looked like they hadnt been touched by Cortina in a very long time. My LBS called Cortina Cycles and talked to them and they said they knew who the guy was. They said that they went over the frame..... over a year ago. Im really upset about this whole thing because I was really excited to get my new bike and start riding it. Ive wanted a Cortina for a long time and when i got one it was broken. Please if you buy used equipment dont buy it from him. He is selling a fork in the buy and sell. Dont get screwed like i did. I'd hate to see it happen to an other Monkey.
Here are some links to him.
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=107488
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/member.php?u=8755

Be careful!
Taylor

[COmtbiker12]

He's been trying to swap that frame FOREVER it seems like. Now I know why he was so insessent(sp?) on getting rid of it. That really sucks that you got swindled there. What do you think you're going to do about the frame? Get it replaced or what?

[korked7]

i dunno. i can send it back to Cortina and get the front end replaced and the swing arm "fixed" altho that makes me nervous cuz a repair cant b as strong. I could also just get a new bike and get hit hard with debt. but hey, atleast i'd have something to ride this year.... its gonna seriously **** up my race season tho.

[COmtbiker12]

i dunno. i can send it back to Cortina and get the front end replaced and the swing arm "fixed" altho that makes me nervous cuz a repair cant b as strong. I could also just get a new bike and get hit hard with debt. but hey, atleast i'd have something to ride this year.... its gonna seriously **** up my race season tho.
That's a bummer dude. :( Does Cortina have a crash replacement thing so that you could just get new front and rear ends?

[blue]

SB guys...help a monkey out here. Anyone know this guy down there?

[The Kadvang]

Bummer. I hate scammers.

[korked7]

i could send it back and get the whole thing replaced by cortina for like 800 bones. thats alot of money but it'd b a brand new bike. i dont know. im just pissed i got had. he knew the cracks were there the whole time. cortina told him the cracks were there over a year ago.

[Monkeybidnezz]

That blows. Didn't the shop that packaged the bike inform you about it before you shipped? Sorry to hear that you got taken for a ride...

[berkshire_rider]

i could send it back and get the whole thing replaced by cortina for like 800 bones. thats alot of money but it'd b a brand new bike. i dont know. im just pissed i got had. he knew the cracks were there the whole time. cortina told him the cracks were there over a year ago.

If he isn't willing to reverse your trade, do you have a statement from Cortina in writing or from someone reputable who might speak on your behalf? I'm certainly not a lawyer, but if they did actually tell him about it a year ago, and he made this so-called deal knowing that, you might have a case of fraud on your hands.

[korked7]

i could maybe get Adrienne from Cortina to put it in writing. The shop he shiped it from didnt tell me anything.

[GravityFreakTJ]

Man,that just flat out sucks! There is waaayyy to much of this going on!

[punkassean]

This is total bologna. If he knew it was cracked and didn't tell you about it then he is a total SOB.

I know in the past the Cortina's have repaired many cracked bikes with gussets and sent them out for re heat-treating. I know lot's of guys with repaired DH-8's that are holding up very well. I wonder why they didn't offer that to you? What is DHGH's real name, it is highly possible I know him since I lived in SB for four years and managed the local Cortina dealer.

He should trade you back and call it even, but since he's unwilling to do that it makes me want to bombard him with negative PM's/posts etc until he realizes that you can't do this to someone in such a small community like the bike industry. Maybe Ben can give us some insight. I would really like to hear DHGH's side of the story as well.

Either way this stinks :dead:

[JRB]

Look at the dude's name on yahoo - california_blond_devil

Anyone with a name like that can't be trusted.

Bummer korked. He'll get his one day. Rest assured.

[korked7]

his names Gordon

[bradical]

I saw that thread. He said it was in good condition and all that... what a douche. I think he was in some pictures with dexterqr20 today posted in the lounge? You might want to try and get in touch with him?

EDIT: He WAS in dexters post earlier today. It appears his picture is no longer in that thread.... isn't that interesting. It had a picture of this guy riding some of that single track with no helmet on, and dexter replied with a rolls eye smiley.

[mack]

I thought the last bad person we had was Laxincubus.

[bradical]

I may be way off base here.. but I don't guess your bullit was blue?

Singletrack + coastline = mmmmm mmmmm good
http://shim1.shutterfly.com/procsserv/F-AN2zdk3cuGzq5EIBGEPmo

Link to the rest of the thread :
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109279

[korked7]

yea thats my baby... i miss her.

[ito]

SB guys...help a monkey out here. Anyone know this guy down there?

Oh, we got contacts.......something is going to happen......

The Ito

[mack]

Oh, we got contacts.......something is going to happen......

The Ito

Time to make your chain whip a little longer. I had a fight with some kid in my room last year at boarding school, and had it lying on a couch, so i picked it up and let him get a closer look at the buisness end of a mnt bike tool! :thumb:

[Geoff G.]

ridemonkey mafia bitch, they're coming for you now!!!!!!!!! :devil: :evil:

[korked7]

LOL the chainwhip is actually a good idea... salt lake city gets a little rough every once in a while!!

[bradical]

I hate stuff like this. Makes me afraid to do any buying over the internet. You'd think people would be decent. Obviously Dexterq20 knows this guy well since he went riding with him today. Dexter has always seemed like a nice guy, but editing DHGH out of the picture is kinda shady. I saw DHGH's buy and sell thread, too, and thought it was an awesome bike. I wish you the best of luck korked.

Laaaame.

[JRB]

I have a good idea. Have mack send some PMs to him until he stops being a tool and returns it. I would have that bike back yesterday.

[mack]

I have a good idea. Have mack send some PMs to him until he stops being a tool and returns it. I would have that bike back yesterday.

No i think your the only tool who really cares about spelling. But ill keep it in mind if you ever rip me off. ;)

[JRB]

No i think your the only tool who really cares about spelling. But ill keep it in mind if you ever rip me off. ;)
Based on earlier response today, I would say you are wrong.

[Curb Hucker]

If DHGH shows up at sea otter I'd have no problem stealing his...err your bike back and mailing it to you for a small fee :evil:

[ito]

ridemonkey mafia bitch, they're coming for you now!!!!!!!!! :devil: :evil:

This be the pinkbike mafia taking over.....and no jokes about 14 year old canadians on Norcos..... :D

We make house calls now :eek:

The Ito

[mack]

Based on earlier response today, I would say you are wrong.

:nopity:

[mack]

If DHGH shows up at sea otter I'd have no problem stealing his...err your bike back and mailing it to you for a small fee :evil:

Finders fee of 50 dollars. ;)

[JRB]

Finders fee of 50 dollars. ;)
Your dad should ground you from your keyboard. :think:

[korked7]

Curbhucker... now i know why you're the "internet tough guy" HAHA

[blue]

I think we should all kick his ass if he comes to SOC...

[punkassean]

names Gordon huh? not ringing any bells :think:

weak sauce yo, weak freakin' sauce...

[Curb Hucker]

Curbhucker... now i know why you're the "internet tough guy" HAHA

:p

I'd really do it though

[The Kadvang]

I think we should all kick his ass if he comes to SOC...

...and we are rollin' 5 deep now. I hate scammers.

[korked7]

haha woop woop. homeboy b flossin my bullit like whoa. i get a cracked frame like a ho... i got ill rhymes dude!!

[ito]

I think we should all kick his ass if he comes to SOC...

I'll be there with you. I plan on getting this frame back well before Sea Otter though.

If not......it's on :)

The Ito

[Rip]

I think DHGH needs to get banned, the hung by the balls. Sorry to hear.

[korked7]

I just wanna thank everyone for all the support! Ridemonkey rules!!

[blue]

Just make sure all of SB knows about this ****head. Nobody will ride with him...

[ZmanONmaryJ]

thats some messed up **** bro.... best of luck gettin ur stuff back! im sure u could get some kind of lawsuit going if u really want to... thats alot of money to be messin around with, i would talk to some kind of lawyer about it!

[Sherpa]

Wow. Good eye bradical. If dexter doesn't do anything about this, he should be banned for bein a puss. Messing with peoples money like this is bullsh*t.

[bradical]

Sorry to Dexter for making any assumptions about you knowing the guy without hearing from you. It's just really easy to assume you're friends with the guy when he's in your pictures. K-vang says you're a good guy, and I may have jumped the gun a bit, my apologies.

[Ciaran]

I'll be there with you. I plan on getting this frame back well before Sea Otter though.

If not......it's on :)

The Ito
F Yeah! Right on Ito! If I was up there with you I would be right there helping to get the frame back. As it is I am in Pasadena but if you can help this monkey out I'll buy you many beers. :thumb:

Korked, I hope you get this all settled. It really sucks that this guy did this to you. Karma is going to bite him soon. Any monkey who does this to another Monkey should be banned and beaten with a rubber chicken. Whack whack!

[BMXman]

so wheres the SB boys with a rope???....D

[blue]

I think Dex knows him, but doesn't want to get involved...

[BMXman]

I will reserve judgement...Dex has always been a stand up guy...D

[ZmanONmaryJ]

man this **** needs to be settled.... that kid needs to grow some nuts and just trade back, no harm done! -_- kids these days!

[punkassean]

Any monkey who does this to another Monkey should be banned and beaten with a rubber chicken. Whack whack!

Bad Monkey!!!!!
http://www.mp3.com.au/img/artist/Bad%20Monkey_RESIZED.jpg

[blue]

I will reserve judgement...Dex has always been a stand up guy...D

Yeah, Dex is a cool cat. Besides, I think Ito has it aaaaallll taken care of ;)

[korked7]

haha ITO is a hard ass... watch out... the wannabee canadian's gonna mess people up!!

[ito]

Hey guys. Stop pming Dexterq20 with threats and what not. That isn't cool. We're talking and trying to figure this out. Taylor and I appreciate the help, but some of the stuff isn't called for. THank you for the support, but chill for a bit, eh

The Ito

[ALEXIS_DH]

Hey guys. Stop pming Dexterq20 with threats and what not. That isn't cool. We're talking and trying to figure this out. Taylor and I appreciate the help, but some of the stuff isn't called for. THank you for the support, but chill for a bit, eh

The Ito


boooo!! where is the blood?

jk

[manziman]

OK, what that guy did was BS. I concur. And it is obviously a representation of lack of class and ethics. So, Korked, my apologies to you.
On another note, leave the dex out of this. I grew up with that kid, got eagle scout with him, and we're good friends. I know him to be a good guy and a pretty damn good, stand-up guy. so, DHGH, when I come down to SB, i don't know what i'm gonna do...but it isn't gonna be pretty. Maybe tell your professors you're a cheater? ooorrr just put saran wrap with petroleum jelly on your toilet seat so when you pee it shoots back at you...

[LordOpie]

is laxincubus "selling" stuff again?

[chicodude]

I IM'd dex and told him to puch his friend in the face for me.

[dexterq20]

Thanks Sean! :thumb:

Ok people, check it out: I go to school with Gordon (DHGH). I rode with Gordon today. I posted pictures of Gordon and me riding. This thread showed up. Gordon requested that I delete the picture of him in my thread. That's why his pic disappeared.

Right now I am the victim of a bad case of guilt by association coupled with some bad timing. My only connection to this situation is that I know Gordon. I had nothing to do with the bike trade that took place.

I have talked with Gordon already, and there is nothing I can do to make him give the bike back. Some of you are being very cool right now, and I appreciate that, but everyone else just needs to take a step back and realize that I'm not involved in this at all, and that there's nothing I can do (besides stealing from Gordon) to get that bike back.

I hate to not be pro-active in this situation, but it's really not my place to take a stand because I was not involved.

[Dirty]

I have talked with Gordon already, and there is nothing I can do to make him give the bike back. Some of you are being very cool right now, and I appreciate that, but everyone else just needs to take a step back and realize that I'm not involved in this at all, and that there's nothing I can do (besides stealing from Gordon) to get that bike back.


so whatd he have to say for himself...?

[chicodude]

(besides stealing from Gordon)



Who said that wasn't an option? :evil:



Dammit ben, Why do you have to be such a nice guy? :thumb:

[manziman]

Thanks Sean! :thumb:

I hate to not be pro-active in this situation, but it's really not my place to take a stand because I was not involved.
No Problemo..
He's got a point, it's between DHGH and Korked. let it go...

[Banzai]

This is my first post here and I really just registered to try and help you out a little inlight of you getting screwed over so bad. Did you guys write up any terms of condition/sale? If you did I'd say that's the best way to go about getting things fixed. If you didn't....well you're pretty much screwed and I'd take it as a lesson for future dealings, that's about the best you could hope for at this point unfortunately.

And while I'm on my soap box, if I were the rest of you I'd be careful about posting stuff about stealing his bike or beating him with a chain. Documentation of threats of violence/theft never looks good in a court room if you catch my drift.

[TheInedibleHulk]

He tried to trade with me as well. Thats severely gay, its true that if you bought the bike and it broke in a month that would just be tough luck, but if he sold it to you broken then he is certianly responsible. Still though, a beat up bullet frame plus 800 bucks is a damn good deal for a brand new cortina. Did you explain what happened to the guys at cortina? If you tell them they might have pity and help you out a little more, although I would bet that 800 is breaking even for them already. Good luck man.

[Banzai]

Thats severely gay, its true that if you bought the bike and it broke in a month that would just be tough luck, but if he sold it to you broken then he is certianly responsible.
He's only liable though if he said the bike was perfect (that's why I mentioned the terms of condition before). If he didn't and you're buying a used bike, well that's why you should be skeptical of stuff on the internet. I don't condone with the asshat did, but if he's been trying to sell off that frame for a while you probably should have assumed there was a reason. Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there like that, that's why I don't ever buy something off a website. It's a shame people ruin good things like this.

[Brian HCM#1]

The guys at Cortina are good people, $800 is not a lot of $ for a new DH frame, I'd go for it. As far as that DH whatever his name is, karma will catch up with him and most likely it will be on a Bullit.

[punkassean]

The Cortina's run a tight operation and I'm sure that their quote would cover only their actual cost and nothing more.

Even with a lot of legal proof settling a matter like this is typically more expensive and time consuming than it's worth. This kid really needs to step up here and take his broken bike back, pay the Cortina's $800 to fix it and then sell it for whatever he can get and start over. If for no other reason than because he will never be able to show his face around any of us again. I can easily make a few calls and get this guy black listed at every shop in SB and then some. He really needs to come in this thread and tell his side of the story but something tells me he knows he wrong and will just keep the bike and disappear for a while.

I'm not condoning anybody jacking the bullit back and then a Cortina magically showing up on homeboys doorstep but that would be a nice outcome. ;)

[blue]

I can easily make a few calls and get this guy black listed at every shop in SB and then some.

I'd highly suggest this if nothing is resolved within the next week...it would put increasing pressure on him to make it right. I've talked to him on AIM. Doesn't sound like the brightest crayon in the box.

[draco]

Things like this frustrate me. To no end. Ito and Korked are aware of the mafia connection here. And I really. really. would like to go to sea otter. never been, hear its great. might need some tickets over.

im thinking that if it doesnt go down quickly and cleanly... vigilante justice at least makes it feel better.

but thats just the rant. seriously, am i hearing that no one knows this kid well enough to tell him to at LEAST trade it back?

all im saying is.. it would be wise for him to step down and hand it back over.. im pretty sure a tight cycling community can make life a royal pain for this kid, hearing about blacklisting him from shops, etc.

someone stand up to the kid, and help a bro out. you wouldnt like it if someone wouldnt do it for you.

[Curb Hucker]

Gordon has been logged onto AIM all afternoon. I guess he's too puss to come post on here :nopity:

[blue]

I think he blocked me... :D

[Curb Hucker]

I'm not condoning anybody jacking the bullit back and then a Cortina magically showing up on homeboys doorstep but that would be a nice outcome. ;)

Im down. If he's at SO with the bullit I'll jack it :thumb:

[DHS]

Things like this frustrate me. To no end. Ito and Korked are aware of the mafia connection here. And I really. really. would like to go to sea otter. never been, hear its great. might need some tickets over.

im thinking that if it doesnt go down quickly and cleanly... vigilante justice at least makes it feel better.

but thats just the rant. seriously, am i hearing that no one knows this kid well enough to tell him to at LEAST trade it back?

all im saying is.. it would be wise for him to step down and hand it back over.. im pretty sure a tight cycling community can make life a royal pain for this kid, hearing about blacklisting him from shops, etc.

someone stand up to the kid, and help a bro out. you wouldnt like it if someone wouldnt do it for you.
see i ain't no fighter, but i aree with ya here man, people like this need to get their ass kicked. several times.
kill him, kill him a lot.

[DVNT]

anyone wanna trade bikes,
I gotta Ellsworth Dare in PERFECT CONDIDTION. Honest :rolleyes:


http://www.flightofthepigs.com/images/FotP%202001/FotP01-052-Broken_bike.jpg


Really good luck sorting this out.
Karma's a bitch and it will catch up to him sooner or later.

[DHS]

anyone wanna trade bikes,
I gotta Ellsworth Dare in PERFECT CONDIDTION. Honest :rolleyes:


http://www.flightofthepigs.com/images/FotP%202001/FotP01-052-Broken_bike.jpg


Really good luck sorting this out.
Karma's a bitch and it will catch up to him sooner or later.
so you're frame was making a clicking noise, so you decided to rap it in rubber to quiet it down. cool.
huh?

[DRB]

anyone wanna trade bikes,
I gotta Ellsworth Dare in PERFECT CONDIDTION. Honest :rolleyes:


http://www.flightofthepigs.com/images/FotP%202001/FotP01-052-Broken_bike.jpg


Really good luck sorting this out.
Karma's a bitch and it will catch up to him sooner or later.

Isn't that stock?

[BigHit-Maniac]

Dude... that sucks hardcore. I'm really sorry to hear about what happened.

Honestly, if I was you... I'd just buy the new frame from Cortina. Since they're willing to cut you one helluva deal, you're getting a brand new frame for $800.00. That's insane cheap considering what the frame is like.

I'd mail your cracked frame back to Cortina, and then have them ship you a new one. For $800, you can't go wrong.

Otherwise, good luck with the ass-kicking. I'd like to see an internet bitch-fight turned real life. Can we say... "Round 1....... FIGHT"

Hahah.

-Matt

[Zark]

This guy is screwed. I'll find you Gordon, and make you pay.

[Echo]

Imagine that, I'll be riding in the area in a couple weeks. Wouldn't it be interesting if I happened across that blue Bullit.

[I Are Baboon]

DHGH was just in the Lounge for about a half hour. I was kind of hoping to see a response from him.

[korked7]

Thanks to everyone whos lookin out for me. its really cool how even if you're from an other place the monkies are lookin out fo ya

[I Are Baboon]

Thanks to everyone whos lookin out for me. its really cool how even if you're from an other place the monkies are lookin out fo ya

The monkey population once got a dude fired from his LBS job. Don't mess with a monkey.

:evil:

[korked7]

Im so bummed. I was all stoked to have a Cortina... Ive been wanting one for so long and I got a cracked one. I just want a Cortina that isnt broken. 800 bucks is alot of money tho. Even if he'd help me send it back to cortina and get it replaced I'd be stoked. I dont wanna do anything drastic cuz I'd feel really bad if he got screwed out of riding. Even if he did screw me I wouldnt wish that kind of punishment on anyone. But whats gotta be done has gotta be done. Anyway. The monkey population is being super helpful and im way stoked to be a part of it. Thanks to everyone whos been posting and talking to him. You guys are a huge help and Im really thankful.

[Ciaran]

Im so bummed. I was all stoked to have a Cortina... Ive been wanting one for so long and I got a cracked one. I just want a Cortina that isnt broken. 800 bucks is alot of money tho. Even if he'd help me send it back to cortina and get it replaced I'd be stoked. I dont wanna do anything drastic cuz I'd feel really bad if he got screwed out of riding. Even if he did screw me I wouldnt wish that kind of punishment on anyone. But whats gotta be done has gotta be done. Anyway. The monkey population is being super helpful and im way stoked to be a part of it. Thanks to everyone whos been posting and talking to him. You guys are a huge help and Im really thankful.
You are being a stand up guy. Even if this guy doesn't own up to his responsibility you will have some major positive karma points built up. Kudos to you for being so calm and level headed throuought this ordeal :thumb:
Kudos to the Monkeys out there too! I am still a noob around here and things like this make me really glad I found Ridemonkey and make me want to stick around and get to know these people better. :thumb:

[korked7]

haha yea... i just feel bad for people who have to screw other people to make themselvs happy. i guess i shouldnt tho. he did screw me

[JRB]

why not screw him from riding? that's what he's effectively done for you? Harsh punishment leads to less need, as people do not want to be punished. You cheat someone, you should expect tenfold the return.

-stone
w3rd....

[korked7]

w3rd....
YE YE!!

[DHS]

yea, i have to say with all these thread here lately. been super sketched out on buying stuff. i just traded my lenzsport pro for a Karpiel Army. there was some things messed up on the bike. yet i know i can get them fixed. so ya i have to put money into this to get it to ride correctly.
but totally sorry to hear about your setup, good luck with it though.

nice monkies.

seems we both traded single pivot bikes for the linkage bikes. some what same linkage too. weird.

goodluck
Steve

[SkaredShtles]

You are being a stand up guy. Even if this guy doesn't own up to his responsibility you will have some major positive karma
You do know there's no such thing as karma, dontcha? ;)

-S.S.-

[Acadian]

I have talked with Gordon already, and there is nothing I can do to make him give the bike back.

wow...so he's not willing to help korked7 out? oh man... :nono:

[Darryl]

ffs, what's the point in even doing something like this to someone? I cringe even remotely imagining what the Zion crew would do to a chump in this situation. String him up and P on him.

[Ciaran]

You do know there's no such thing as karma, dontcha? ;)

-S.S.-
Wrong forum... Changleen, Andyman and N8 are over in the political forum. :D

[SkaredShtles]

Wrong forum... Changleen, Andyman and N8 are over in the political forum. :D
Talk about banging your head against a brick wall........ that would be it. :p

-S.S.-

[pixelninja]

Man, that is really low. What a chump.

[I Are Baboon]

Search DHGH's posts. I'd say at least half of them are offers to trade his Cortina for another bike. No wonder he was so desperate to dump the thing.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/search.php?searchid=285843

[dhtahoe]

If DHGH shows up at sea otter I'd have no problem stealing his...err your bike back and mailing it to you for a small fee :evil:

And I'll be with him :thumb:

[DHS]

Search DHGH's posts. I'd say at least half of them are offers to trade his Cortina for another bike. No wonder he was so desperate to dump the thing.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/search.php?searchid=285843
don't work does that mean you got rid of him already?

[punkassean]

I won't be there ;) ;)

And I won't kick him while he's down either ;) ;)

And I absolutely will not have anything to do with commandeering the bike back ;) ;) ;)

I cannot condone such behavior!

[Darryl]

I love it, the board he scammed someone off of is the same one that's gonna make sure he has to ride that bike on the moon to even enjoy it. Man, and we have all these wonderful trails and beautiful trannies here too. This is kind of like being so drunk you C**kblock yourself.

Korked, come down and ride with us. :p

[I Are Baboon]

don't work does that mean you got rid of him already?

Hmmm...the link works for me. Maybe it only works with my login. So bring up his profile and click "find all posts by DHGH."

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/member.php?u=8755

If I ban him he'll be unable to reply to this thread.

[Westy]

Well we have his email and aim, we can all flame/spam him at least.

[punkassean]

get me more pics of that thing, my buddies (and me) are the ones who built almost all of the jumps and cliff drops out at Ellwood and they are out there a few days a week. These are the kind of guys that would gladly lay the smack down for a good cause.

If you can supply me pics of the bike as is or at least as was, that would help. A pic of Gordon would be really nice as well. He could sell that thing and we wouldn't want some poor kid getting beat down for nothing now do we...

[Curb Hucker]

Sean you should blacklist him from shops :thumb:

[korked7]

Gordon and I are trying to work this out in a civil manner. If everyone would stop threatening to steal it back and showing up at his house and thrashing him senceless with a chain whip it'd b cool. Thanks for all the support. Lets just try to be civil because it could turn out alot uglier than it already is. Thanks again for all the help and support you guys are showing. I cant even believe that this has had such an affect. Most of you dont even know me and you're being so helpful. Ridemonkey is full of really good people and that makes me really stoked to be a part of it

[punkassean]

So then you guys are negotiationg some sort of deal then? He has contacted you or replied to your messages???

I hope that's the case...

[korked7]

Yea. Hes made an offer to pay the shipping to and from cortina but I'd still b out 800 bones. So I dunno if that'll b enough. Im thinking about other options... anyone got any suggestions?? :help:

[Lexx D]

What would the bullit have sold for? That should be about what he owes you.

[korked7]

the guys at go-ride said like 500 bucks

[Echo]

Dude really needs to trade back. Anything else is a crap deal.

[Ciaran]

Yea. Hes made an offer to pay the shipping to and from cortina but I'd still b out 800 bones. So I dunno if that'll b enough. Im thinking about other options... anyone got any suggestions?? :help:
I think the only real way to work it out is to trade back. You shouldn't be stuck paying more money so you get a working frame. He knew it was cracked when he traded/sold to you. IMO anything less than him giving you back your frame and offering to pay for shipping on both frames is unacceptable.

Gordon, if you are reading this, please try to understand that you really are in the wrong here. At least do it so that you can have a clear consience. Do the right thing and give back the frame.

[SkaredShtles]

Dude really needs to trade back. Anything else is a crap deal.
:stupid:

-S.S.-

[Curb Hucker]

I think the only real way to work it out is to trade back. You shouldn't be stuck paying more money so you get a working frame. He knew it was cracked when he traded/sold to you. IMO anything less than him giving you back your frame and offering to pay for shipping on both frames is unacceptable.

Can't say it any better than that.

[ALEXIS_DH]

forget karma and all that crap.
make revenge your utmost goal in life.
go to the police, file a complain for mail fraud for the value of your bullit.
or if do you have your receipts for the bullit, report it as stolen, then do something to get it back.

[punkassean]

That's a complete bogus offer. Nicole Simpson/Goldman's family got more justice than that :rolleyes:

What's it gonna take to get him to see there is only one right thing to do???

[oly]

Another vote for trade back. Thats pure BS.

[COmtbiker12]

forget karma and all that crap.
make revenge your utmost goal in life.
go to the police, file a complain for mail fraud for the value of your bullit.
or if do you have your receipts for the bullit, report it as stolen, then do something to get it back.
Or even if you don't do that, atleast threaten the guy that you're gonna go to the police for mail fraud. That way he might get freaked out and actually cooperate and do something for you.

[ALEXIS_DH]

now that we play with unlikely options...
make the mail fraud filing at the police, then contact one of those places that pay the bail on jails and ask them to contact you their bounty hunter!!!!!!!!
i dont think that`d be illegal....

will cost ya few hundred bucks, but will scare the living crap out that guy, and you get your bike back...

[pixelninja]

Dude really needs to trade back. Anything else is a crap deal.:stupid:

[berkshire_rider]

Yea. Hes made an offer to pay the shipping to and from cortina but I'd still b out 800 bones. So I dunno if that'll b enough. Im thinking about other options... anyone got any suggestions?? :help:

Yeah. Tell him to ship your Bullitt back, and then and only then you'll ship back the Cortina. Preferably on his dime, but if dropping $40-$50 is all it takes to get your Bullitt back, that's certainly better than where you are now. Like the others have said, f-that offer he recently made you. He needs to make things right. I feel for you, and your situation. I hope things are made right. :(

[mack]

This guy is screwed. I'll find you Gordon, and make you pay.


I have the impression that behind Zark's nice guy facade he will most likely bite your tonge out. ;)

[llkoolkeg]

On the one hand, I can see why dex would want to stay out of it, but he should also bear in mind- when you choose your friends, you choose your enemies.

"A man is known by the books he reads, by the company he keeps, by the praise he gives, by his dress, by his tastes, by his distastes, by the stories he tells, by his gait, by the notion of his eye, by the look of his house, of his chamber; for nothing on earth is solitary but every thing hath affinities infinite." ---Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Zark]

I have the impression that behind Zark's nice guy facade he will most likely bite your tounge out. ;)

Wait a second, I have a nice guy facade? :D

Tounge biting is reserved for the ladies anyways :love:

[ito]

word koolkeg

Taylor, that deals crap and I think you know it. This guy screwed you over and he's been trying to pawn off a junk bike to a number of other people. At the very least he needs to redo the trade and get things back to normal. Personally I'm up for getting him to pay for the Cortina's repairs, but as that seems unlikely I think you should get your bike back.

Props to the RM people for supporting Taylor in this.

The Ito

[Morryjg]

If you can get 500 bucks for your Bullit frame then let him keep the bullit. Everytime he rides it he gets a little memory of how he tried to screw someone for it. You get a spankin' new Cortina frame for 300 extra. :drool: You both get what you wanted, just a pain in the arse getting there.

[heyzues]

dude i feel for you. I think that is some type of fraud. If the kid doesn't send you back your frame you should report it to the police and take action about it. How didn't his bike shop see the cracks when they were shippping out the bike for him. They should be somewhat responsible for the crappy deal too.
Have you talked to the bike shop that sent it to you? His friends that ride with this kid should get the balls and send you back the frame for you. I would be pissed if one of my buddies did that. Screw trades man it isn't worth it. Oh' if he does send it back to you via the same bike shop, make sure you have them check out your frame before you send his back. Don't know what kind of s*** head this kid is. File a report with the police. This kid is in some serious trouble.

[Echo]

On the one hand, I can see why dex would want to stay out of it, but he should also bear in mind- when you choose your friends, you choose your enemies.

"A man is known by the books he reads, by the company he keeps, by the praise he gives, by his dress, by his tastes, by his distastes, by the stories he tells, by his gait, by the notion of his eye, by the look of his house, of his chamber; for nothing on earth is solitary but every thing hath affinities infinite." ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
I was going to keep my opinion to myself that dex is a total chicken**** for not stepping up here. But I guess I just let it slip.

[dexterq20]

Very mature, Echo. Very mature.

And what exactly would you like me to do? I've voiced my opinion to Gordon that he should rectify the situation by trading the bike back. Do you actually want me to go and steal the bike from Gordon and then pay with my own money to ship it to Taylor in Utah? Somehow that doesn't sound like the best plan. Thanks for being an asshole though.

[The Kadvang]

I was going to keep my opinion to myself that dex is a total chicken**** for not stepping up here. But I guess I just let it slip.

:rolleyes:

[mack]

Wait a second, I have a nice guy facade? :D

Tounge biting is reserved for the ladies anyways :love:


Yeah, thats strange to be nice around here.

Id toughen up, it seems to be the cool thing to do...

[Echo]

Very mature, Echo. Very mature.
Sorry man. Generally I consider you to be a stand up dude around here. I was pretty surprised that you just consider this to be "not your problem". If it was someone I knew and rode with, it wouldn't technically be "my problem" either, but I would at least stand up like a man and tell that person I think they have done something wrong. Kind of like I'm standing up to you right now. All your e-buddies can smooch your butt here and roll their eyes at me, I couldn't care less. I'll be in your area in about 2 weeks if you think I have committed some horrendous crime by voicing my opinion about this and you would like to discuss further.

Edit: I must have missed the part where you said you stood up to him. I stand corrected. You can still consider me an asshole though, you have no idea how little that concerns me ;)

[dexterq20]

I added to my original post. Read it and answer my question.

[The Kadvang]

All your e-buddies can smooch your butt here and roll their eyes at me, I couldn't care less.

Normally I would agree with you: I hate anybody who would attempt to swindle a fellow rider, regardless. But Ben really did all he could to rectify the situation, and I don't think its cool for you guys to rag on him without full knowledge of this.

EDIT: Seems like we are all happy no, or as much as is possible :)

[dexterq20]

Edit: I must have missed the part where you said you stood up to him. I stand corrected. You can still consider me an asshole though, you have no idea how little that concerns me ;)
I don't consider you an asshole. I just think that comment was rather uncalled for, and somewhat characteristic of an asshole.

Now honestly, if you were in my position, what would you do? Seriously, answer that. Everybody keeps saying "Do something! Do something!"... but what? If you can answer that question, maybe I'll have an opportunity to be this so-called "stand up guy" that everyone keeps talking about. Until then, leave me out of this mess.

[Echo]

I don't consider you an asshole. I just think that comment was rather uncalled for, and somewhat characteristic of an asshole.

Now honestly, if you were in my position, what would you do? Seriously, answer that. Everybody keeps saying "Do something! Do something!"... but what? If you can answer that question, maybe I'll have an opportunity to be this so-called "stand up guy" that everyone keeps talking about.
From your original post, it didn't sound like you bothered to say a damn word to him about it. If you say you told him he should trade back, that's about all any of us can expect from you. Like I said, before about 2 minutes ago, as far as anyone here knew, you hadn't said anything to him about it. Which would be about the same thing as saying you think he did the right thing.

[dexterq20]

From your original post, it didn't sound like you bothered to say a damn word to him about it.

Umm....

I have talked with Gordon already, and there is nothing I can do to make him give the bike back.


But seriously, I'm kinda over this whole situation. I don't know what Gordon plans to do about this, but as long as he's in touch with Taylor, that's better than nothing.

[COmtbiker12]

<snip>.
Maybe its time mail fraud charges were filed if we know for sure that he's not planning on doing anything. I dunno, that's what I'd be doing if I was in this situation.

[Geoff G.]

I don't think that dexterq20 has to do much about this. the person to take action can not know gordon personaly, think about it, if dex went and took the frame from gordon he would have an enemy for life, and on the other hand if the ITO stole the frame back and beat up gordon it wouldn't effect him because gordon dosn't know where the ito lives

I do think though that dex should tell the ito gordon's adress, and the next thing we should do is get some satilite pics of where he lives online (i forget the site, but it is out there) then send the pics through the mail to his house with a thretening letter

[Curb Hucker]

You all must realize Ben is in an extremely bad situation. He has to go to school with this kid. If he does steal the bike back or do something bad to him, Ben is gonna have to put up with this guys crap all the time. Revenge is a bitch and I dont think Ben wants any coming his way from only a short walk away.

[TheInedibleHulk]

Really if you do the math he's the one thats getting screwed... Youre paying 800 for a brand new DHE frame (2200 off of goride.com) plus a beat up bullet frame probabaly worth no more than 400 or 500. Your basically getting a sweet new frame at roughly half price, which is usually about what a pro deal is. I say get the new frame, built it sweet, and rub it in his face at the races while he putzes around on a bullet. None of this excuses him, its just means hes not only sketchy but also a moron.

[COmtbiker12]

You all must realize Ben is in an extremely bad situation. He has to go to school with this kid. If he does steal the bike back or do something bad to him, Ben is gonna have to put up with this guys crap all the time. Revenge is a bitch and I dont think Ben wants any coming his way from only a short walk away.
Not to mention Ben could have to face the school administration of Gordon decided to do anything about being beat up or with the theft of 'his' bike...

[Echo]

Well I for one never said anything about dex stealing the bike or beating Gordon's ass. If he told the dude he thinks he's wrong, he's done all he can be expected to do.

[dexterq20]

People are being more sensible now. Thanks guys.

[Westy]

I might be a little late with these comments but anyone ever check out all those threads about people getting sued or arrested for silly things. If Dexter did anything like steal the bike back or beat this douche nozzle up he could find himself in serious trouble. Even if it was a bad deal a third party stealing the frame back and is still stealing. And these days you could even get in trouble for threatening to beat someone up on some web forum.

[COmtbiker12]

Well I for one never said anything about dex stealing the bike or beating Gordon's ass. If he told the dude he thinks he's wrong, he's done all he can be expected to do.
I know. i was just saying it in addition to Don's statement that we shouldn't be so hard on Ben because he is in a rough spot and we shouldn't expect him to do much more than he has, as well as if he did do something he'd have a lot of possible consequences from it.

[-dustin]

No i think your the only tool who really cares about spelling. But ill keep it in mind if you ever rip me off. ;)

i have to ask...did you do that on purpose?

[korked7]

dexterq20 has done all he can do and thats cool of him. Its between Gordon and I. I'd like to get the Cortina replaced because i've wanted 1 for a long time. It'd b nice if he would pay for the bullit so i could atleast scrap 300 buck together (anyone wanna donate??). Then i'd have the bike ive wanted for years. If he doesnt i'd like to get my bullit back. Alot of my friends from here are saying I should get him for mail fraud but I dont want to do that unless I absolutly have to. Im trying to be the nice guy here and not take legal action. I hope he realizes that. I dont want anyone going to steal my bullit back or send him nasty instant messages/pms/e-mails/mail bombs/anthrax. I just want things to be even again. Im itchin to ride big bikes again. BMX bikes just dont have the thrill.

[mack]

Laxincubus isnt selling to my knowledge any more...

[66]

dexterq20 has done all he can do and thats cool of him. Its between Gordon and I. I'd like to get the Cortina replaced because i've wanted 1 for a long time. It'd b nice if he would pay for the bullit so i could atleast scrap 300 buck together (anyone wanna donate??). Then i'd have the bike ive wanted for years. If he doesnt i'd like to get my bullit back. Alot of my friends from here are saying I should get him for mail fraud but I dont want to do that unless I absolutly have to. Im trying to be the nice guy here and not take legal action. I hope he realizes that. I dont want anyone going to steal my bullit back or send him nasty instant messages/pms/e-mails/mail bombs/anthrax. I just want things to be even again. Im itchin to ride big bikes again. BMX bikes just dont have the thrill.

Being the nice guy is admirable. But you are going to end up short in the end. I too am one of the type that doesn’t like to confront the tough situations. But you need to decide if this guy being a criminal and scamming YOU is worth not standing up for yourself. If it's worth it, stop posting and tell everyone the situation is taken care of. But if you want this to be right, do what you must do. File the report. Let him know you did. Make a statement that you don't want people to steal or beat on your behalf. Keep it clean and hope you come out on the other side with a bike.

Not all situations are as easy as a fair trade. I don't want to be the one to stand up for the thief in SB but we still have only herd one side.

A couple months ago i traded Vitox a cracked M1 (i didn't know it was) for a fork. When he got the frame he found a 3mm crack on the underside of the chainstay. I had no idea it was there. The situation was dealt with. we made the trade and we both ended up with what we wanted. if Vitox was not such a cool guy, i would have been in a very bad situation. He and I both are problem solvers so it worked out. Gordon might not be.

What if Vitox got on here and told everyone about the cracked, beat to hell bike i shipped to him? he might tell you that the ISCG was broken off and it smelled like crap and had ugly stickers on it. But maybe he would not mention any of the efforts took on both side to make sure no one was unsatisfied with the deal. Vitox is a standup guy and handled the situation very well. i would like to think i did too.

I'm lucky to have dealt with him. So who is this dude in SLC?

SLC guy. Please do what is in your best interest. I do not think you have let everyone here believe a false story. But you need to decide what is going to happen to this situation. For my piece of advice i say, get your bike back or the 800 $ plus shipping to fix the frame. If neither are met, talk to the cops tomorrow. don't wait until next week for resolution. right now this guy thinks you are a puss and will roll over. maybe a bunch of e-friends are talking of hunting the dude down, but that's not a good solution. Sorry you are in this deal; sorry you could not have dealt with someone like Vitox.

[ito]

I don't think that dexterq20 has to do much about this. the person to take action can not know gordon personaly, think about it, if dex went and took the frame from gordon he would have an enemy for life, and on the other hand if the ITO stole the frame back and beat up gordon it wouldn't effect him because gordon dosn't know where the ito lives

I do think though that dex should tell the ito gordon's adress, and the next thing we should do is get some satilite pics of where he lives online (i forget the site, but it is out there) then send the pics through the mail to his house with a thretening letter

Tis good to know that we are dealing with sensible people here....yar!

To clarify it, I don't plan on beating anyone up or stealing the bike, I'm hoping for a reasonable resolution. I do think Taylor is getting the short end of the stick here and needs to stand up for himself and I'm sure he will.

Oh, Taylor, I'll cancel that order of anthrax then? Or is there someone else to send it to? ;)

Anyway, with all this publicity I don't think Gordon will be selling anything online for a while. :nuts:

66, sounds like you got lucky. I had a similar thing happen where I bought a bike from a kid and it had a cracked swingarm. He ended up taking it back and I got my money back. It's too bad not everyone is as intelligent/nice as the people we've dealt with.

The Ito

[blue]

I'd say go for the whole 800 bucks here. The original terms of the deal were that you were getting a fully functional Cortina. He sent you a broken one. Now that he's been "found out", he's trying to change the original terms of the deal (after it has been done). He should either give you the full 800 to fix it and make it rideable, or he should give you the Bullit back. Doesn't matter how much the Bullit's worth, he made the original deal.

Besides, don't you think that extra mystical 300 dollars should be his penance for being a bastard by sending a cracked frame in the first place?

[korked7]

Gordon and I are trying to work this out as best as we can. We are starting to come to some sort of agreement and I hope this will turn out for the best. Thanks for all the support from my fellow Monkies! Ill keep you posted on everything.

[draco]

So i sent gordon a friendly IM. totally friendly and not incriminating. and as soon as he replied, he replied with "how dumb do you think i am boy, **** you all"

sounds like a nice kid. obviously, he needs the **** kicked out of him.

but if taylor wants to play nice, he better get ALL his **** back be it $800, the bullit as he sent it out, or some serious cash.

Taylor, give it til tuesday. if nothing, pursue legally. there is only so much your buds can really do. and unless you really want it stolen back (-no problem-) i suggest busting a move on this kid, his family, and the police, all at once.

dont let that one slide.

[llkoolkeg]

I hate to say it, but nice guys finish last and there is no honor among thieves. This was a premeditated swindle propagated over a lengthy period of time. That anklegripper is not going to just give back his ill-gotten gains! He tried for a long time to pull of the scam and now he has a sucker right where he wants him. He associates freely with people who should ostracize him unless they are either complicit or apathetic to his dishonesty. Additionally, he still sees himself in an elevated position of bargaining power because HE has what he wants and feels that all this will ultimately blow over...which it will unless his victim stops acting like one. If a guy steals your wallet with $500 cash in it, why in the hell would you consider accepting back $250? Because it's better than nothing??? Time to untuck and fight back- legally if you are rational or otherwise if you're a hothead like me.

[DHS]

I hate to say it, but nice guys finish last and there is no honor among thieves. This was a premeditated swindle propagated over a lengthy period of time. That anklegripper is not going to just give back his ill-gotten gains! He tried for a long time to pull of the scam and now he has a sucker right where he wants him. He associates freely with people who should ostracize him unless they are either complicit or apathetic to his dishonesty. Additionally, he still sees himself in an elevated position of bargaining power because HE has what he wants and feels that all this will ultimately blow over...which it will unless his victim stops acting like one. If a guy steals your wallet with $500 cash in it, why in the hell would you consider accepting back $250? Because it's better than nothing??? Time to untuck and fight back- legally if you are rational or otherwise if you're a hothead like me.
well spoken from a guy that has a smoking pot leaf as an avatar

[tartosuc]

DHGH needs to learn to be honnest with the bike community...what a F***ing asshole!

I would kick his ass big time...did it before for a similar situation and i would do it again.


If that guy is a kid maybe you could call his parents?...I had a bad deal once with a kid, he knew about the defective part he traded me and never told me about it, I called his parents and told them what the kid did and that their kids was in "deep ****" cause if i get across him i would kick his ass...I called them every day until they trade back to me...It took only 2 days to fix the problem.

[DRB]

I'm thinking that you need to pull the Chili gag from South Park on him. Now that's justice.

[jdcamb]

How far a Santa Barbara from say Torrance or San Bernadino?

:sneaky:

[Velocity Girl]

What also sucks is that it's guys like Gordan who make it harder and harder for honest, well-intentioned individuals to sell their used bikes.

I am sorry you got screwed korked7. I know I would be so po'd I couldn't see straight if I was in your situation.

[binary visions]

I'm thinking that you need to pull the Chili gag from South Park on him. Now that's justice.
"Ha ha ha ha haa haa.. I made you eat your parents..."

"Ooh, let me taste your sweet tears... Oh they're so yummy.. The tears of unfathomable sadness..."

Best South Park episode ever!

[korked7]

yea. im pretty much foaming at the mouth. down hill is my entire life and if i cant ride this year because of a kid who suckered me into buying bogus stuff ill go nuts. i just wanna ride!!

[korked7]

BTW. that episode of south park was soooo amaizing. after i saw it... i couldnt even believe what i just saw... as a result its my favorite south park episode

[korked7]

Sorry one more thing. I talked to Cortina today. My origional estimate of 800 bucks for the whole thing was correct. But they said that they could possibly fix the crack in the swing arm and that'd hold me over for a year or two. The fix would be around $600-$650. Not too bad considering that I might be having $500 thrown my way. Anyway, I'll keep ya posted on any developments in the saga. Have a good day!

Taylor

[jdcamb]

Maybe someone could remind DGHG of what happens to young white boys from the suburbs when they end up in prison. Mail fraud = Hugeass fine, and when you can't pay that fine for whatever reason they send you to a camp. If those camps are full you go on tour to all the county jails in your district. Those county jails are a very bad place to be. Very bad place to be.....

[Geoff G.]

Laxincubus isnt selling to my knowledge any more...
oh really, I have a suspisoin that this is him
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106161&highlight=dhr

he denies it, but look at the picture of the bike, It has the same sticker on it, and he is from simsbury mack, maybe you could help me out on this one, you're from ct. too

[Curb Hucker]

Mail fraud = Hugeass fine

And prison for someone like Gordon = Hugeasshole in his ass :p

[korked7]

haha i dont see any prision time in his near future... atleast out of this. we're trying to work it out the cheepest we can for both ends.

[blue]

Just don't let him screw you. None of this is your fault, you shouldn't have to make any concessions.

[Ciaran]

Send him to a "Federal Pound You In The Ass Prison"!

[Dirty]

oh really, I have a suspisoin that this is him
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106161&highlight=dhr

he denies it, but look at the picture of the bike, It has the same sticker on it, and he is from simsbury mack, maybe you could help me out on this one, you're from ct. too

id agree...unless that guy bought it from lax...

can find the picture he posted of it under the name Lax
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1126739#post1126739
pretty similar...

[Geoff G.]

yes, and I remember seeing a picture of the bike with that same girl sticker on pinkbike, under laxincubus. also, the picture of the bike for sale is hoasted on wassobe's website, and if I remember wassobe is the friend of laxincubus.

[draco]

haha i dont see any prision time in his near future... atleast out of this. we're trying to work it out the cheepest we can for both ends.


what? ****, why? he totally assraped you. why are you making it a comprimise? the way i see it, you get your bullit back entirelyas you had it, plus shipping and handling hassles, and tell him to go F himself.


really Tg. how you gonna not go all Hcore on him. im gonna call you a pussy from now on. or start saying you like afi.

i bet i could fake you calling the police to get things rolling :rolleyes: :)

[ito]

Edited and cleared.

[punkassean]

Ito, let's not do anything until or unless we are asked specifically. I know he appreciates the help but we lose leverage if we start acting on these things. If we blacklist him then he'll really have nothing to lose so he'll just keep the bike anyway.

It's nice to know that we can affect him seriously though if he decides not not do the right thing.

[ito]

Edited on request.

The Ito

[punkassean]

I got the email notification so I saw the original post...

I wasn't slaggin' you, I just want to make sure he gets the bike back :)

[ito]

I got the email notification so I saw the original post...

I wasn't slaggin' you, I just want to make sure he gets the bike back :)

I know. It's all good.

The Ito

[Banzai]

I hate to see someone like DHGH to get ahead, but in light of everything that's gone on I'd be happy he's offering anything now judging by the type of guy he sounds like. It'd probably be a good idea just to take it and end all this headache now, you have to consider what that's worth to you as well. He'll get his eventually no matter what you do.

[Crash_Tested]

don't listen to his friend Banzai.

Dude you need to take your thread title to heart. If you don't stand up now, you could end up being walked all over for the rest of your life, just like he is walking all over you now. There should be no compromises on your part.

[shocktower]

Ok call his parents and let them know you will be filing some mail fraud charges ,they will poop knowing that they will be responcible for attorneysn fee`s for their douche nozzel son :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble:

[draco]

I hate to see someone like DHGH to get ahead, but in light of everything that's gone on I'd be happy he's offering anything now judging by the type of guy he sounds like. It'd probably be a good idea just to take it and end all this headache now, you have to consider what that's worth to you as well. He'll get his eventually no matter what you do.


true he'll get his... but at what cost to our friend Korked? I say press on with charges. not only will he get whats coming to him, but taylor doesnt loose out.

[blue]

Ok call his parents and let them know you will be filing some mail fraud charges ,they will poop knowing that they will be responcible for attorneysn fee`s for their douche nozzel son :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :mumble:

I don't think he's beholden to his parents...he's a Freshman at UCSB (as far as I know).

This guy's a ****head, I've read somethings he's said about this. He feels no remorse over this at all, or sympathy for Taylor. He's a bastard, plain and simple, and should be treated as such. This was premeditated fraud, and he suckered Taylor into it on purpose. No compromise. Cash or the frame, anything less and you'll forever be a pussy in my book, you PC bitch ;)

[Discostu]

Damn both CTbikes (laxincubus) and DHGH tried to trade me for my big hit, I'm glad I bought Oly's DHR instead.

[ZmanONmaryJ]

Press charges!~! :mad: thats about all i can say

[korked7]

Gordon and I have finally come to an agreement. I will be getting 500 dollars from him. I only ask that no one does anything stupid. This would intail getting him black listed from any shops. ITO, i know you're itchin to do it but im gonna have to ask you not to. This also goes further. No stealing the bike back from him. I will be sending him the recipt from when i bought the bike so it'll b his 100% no questions asked. Also, no beating him up. I know alot of you are pissed about this but thats not the best way to solve this anyway. And those of you saying I should press charges... i cant. There is no documentation of the trade actually being made (e-mails, instant messanges, phone conversations, ect). None of the evidence I have would have held up anyway. Also it would have turned out more expensive and uglier than it has already been. Thanks to everyone who's made suggestions (as far fetched as some of them were). Im learned a really good lession about documentation, and internet sales/trading. I think its safe to say that trading isnt the best idea. Thanks alot guys and happy posting. see ya around

Taylor

[Wumpus]

And those of you saying I should press charges... i cant. There is no documentation of the trade actually being made (e-mails, instant messanges, phone conversations, ect). None of the evidence I have would have held up anyway. Also it would have turned out more expensive and uglier than it has already been. Taylor

Oral agreements are usually just fine although they have a time limit of a year or two. You have the reciept for the bike to prove that it was yours in the first place. You also have the bike shop as a witness that the bikes were traded. Just an fyi if he balks on ya'lls agreement.

I wouldn't send him the reciept until you have the money, and if it is any kind of check, it clears your bank.

[korked7]

Hey guys, I'm just wondering what the best way to send money would be.

[draco]

hand delivered would be nice. thats the only way i'd trust it.

[blue]

Postal MO, or if you can, Paypal.

[Curb Hucker]

Hey guys, I'm just wondering what the best way to send money would be.

paypal and only paypal. That way he cant say it got lost in the mail. Even if it takes a few extra days to set up an account its worth it.

[SXtrailrider]

gordon = bomberboy

[blue]

Seriously? New level of hate. If you're right, I hate him more than I hate the SB kids.

GJ screwing one of my friends, asshat.

[old ol]

it's true, read the thread it's him. bomberboy11 is the scammer!!

[zmtber]

yeahs i believe it is him as well, infact i have had five people here localy telling me gordon is bomberboy

[macko]

Why is it I don't recognize anyone from this thread...

[blue]

You know, the SB kids were actually right when they said no one in SB liked him...

[Wumpus]

Damn it. I was right in the middle of a bad seller thread about SX when it got deleted. Does anybody know how it ended?:rofl:

[dropmachine.com]

Korked, I feel terrible about you getting scammed and all. But seriously dude, are you some kind of uber-calm buddist or something. If somebody lit your dog on fire, would you just smile and mention how nicely he glowed?

The guy that ripped you off is a total dick. After that funds show, I would report his ass for mailfraud, and teach him a lesson. Hes getting off relatively easy considering what he did, and you're letting it happen. It was premeditated mail fraud, and you don't care. Stand up and teach the little bastard a lesson.

And You Dexqr20, you're just a dick. One of the reasons I like this sport is the people. I've met a ton of people from biking like no other. Theres a comraderie and, well a bond I guess that I've never experienced with any other sport i've been in. One of the unspoken rules is to help a bro out. You see a guy with a flat, offer help. Guy hurt? Help him out. Cheer for other racers. Basically, take care of your own and nurture the best part of the sport. Yet here you are with personal access to a guy thats deliberaly screwed over another rider, and you do less then nothing. Way to go dude, way to go. Remind me to shurg when you don't get paid for something sent to my neck of the woods and I know the jerk who did it. After all, its "not my problem."


Teach that little asshole a lesson, and get more then what you deserve.

[Kopiklokoli]

Yeah I really hate people like that, I bought a 6 way swinger from someone on this site under the impression that it was new. Turned out it was blown out, oil everywhere as soon as i put it on my bike.
So yeah, don't buy from stgil888.

[blue]

Damn it. I was right in the middle of a bad seller thread about SX when it got deleted. Does anybody know how it ended?:rofl:

Guy got his crap eventually after a lot of BS and a long wait...

Dropmachine, this happened a loong time ago...Korked has since gotten over it (and got a V10...he even lives in Orange County now), though Gordon never had to pay up. He got a functioning Bullit for a broken Cortina. Assclown.

[Bicyclist]

Damn, that sounds like a jacked up situation.

Glad everything is somewhat good now.

[blue]

Damn, that sounds like a jacked up situation.

Glad everything is somewhat good now.

Which, Korkeds or SX?

Taylor (Korked) is just a pussy, hence, never got his money :p

[Bicyclist]

SX? Whaaaa?

I was talking about this thread, so between Korked and bomberboy.

[blue]

Ah...yeah...this one was never really resolved. Scammer got of scot free and the victim got the shaft.

[maxyedor]

One note to add, I don't think mail fraud laws would apply unless the bike was shipped USPS. Sucks for Taylor, he really did get jacked.

[Wumpus]

One note to add, I don't think mail fraud laws would apply unless the bike was shipped USPS. Sucks for Taylor, he really did get jacked.

That little loophole was fixed in 1994:

The language of the mail fraud statute remained unchanged for 100 years. It wasn’t until 1994 that Congress expanded and enhanced the statute as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, inserting new language into Section 1341 that reads “or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier.” Con artists who try to circumvent the mail by using private interstate couriers are no longer exempt from the law, as the 1994 Crime Bill amended the mail fraud statute to include them. The mail fraud statute can now be used for items sent through the U.S. Mail, as well as FedEx, UPS or other interstate carriers and couriers.

http://judiciary.senate.gov/testimony.cfm?id=935&wit_id=2650

[SXtrailrider]

Yeah guys bomberboy is gordon my friend rides with him. He told me his name and i put two to two together, Gordon = bomberboy, don't buy any of his stuff you will screw you too. Just a heads up. And to any of those that are wondering the guy i sold the pedals to recieved them yesturday, and deleted the thread, so im not a scamer.

[old ol]

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109334&highlight=gordon+cortina


Pink bike, is not half as bad as what you did to that poor kid gordon, what is funny is that this happend before you evan became bomberboy11, and no one knows its you. You are a scammer, and i think you should die.

[pepe]

That little loophole was fixed in 1994:



http://judiciary.senate.gov/testimony.cfm?id=935&wit_id=2650


Would this apply on an agreement to send wheels for a fork, but the fork never showed up. There is a good story I suppose, but it was, hey sorry, I'll paypal you the $10 difference and then nothing else. Supposedly it was shipped, but who knows?

[MOVIN]

i he sent it to you usps...turn his butt in for mail fraud

[gotnoname19]

I never knew mnt. bikers were such tough guys.