=þ

[monkeyboy424]

shut up you curmudgeon

[Yeti DHer]

waaaaah waaaaah my headangle is to tall on my bike. I can't ride it now. waaaah waaaah the 888 makes my bike feel like a chopper. It's going to make me slow....

my pussy hurts... waaaaaah

:rolleyes:

[monkeyboy424]

ahahaha i get it.....

[Rip]

How can one ever have too many smilies.

[Jorvik]

Easy.

All you'd ever need is :oink:


Any more than that is just rediculous

[DaveW]

quite true Jokevik.
However for dealing with you lot I often find that I require this one too. :stupid:

[monkeyboy424]

dave you are a curmudgeon.

and obviously :think: is the best

[DaveW]

Monkeybooger you are a Gargoyle fondler.
And obviously you should be either ignored or beaten to death with a sheaf of wheat thats been dipped in Deep Heat.
:stupid: :monkey: :stupid: :monkey: :stupid: :monkey: :stupid: :monkey: :stupid: :monkey:

[Yeti DHer]

Ok, I will say this once and for all, since I rule this thread. The " :rolleyes: " is the best and most annoying smilie.

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[DaveW]

Sheesh that one is Sooooooo last semester dude.:nono: :stupid:


Quote of the day

"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the 'Universe,' a part limited
in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as
something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his
consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our
personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must
be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." (Albert
Einstein):cool:

[Jorvik]

New quote of the day because DaveW doesn't know how to choose quotes:

"If your balls itch, scratch them"
-Jorvik 11:02

[DaveW]

Hmmm. :think:

If Jorviks balls itch......Id say hit em with a sledgehammer. :sneaky: :thumb:

IMHO ;)

[Rip]

HAHAHAHA!

[DaveW]

Oh yeah and here's todays quote.......

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the
world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead


And Jorvik a "quote" is when you repeat what someone else has already said.
If it's some of your own words it's a "statement".....Not a quote.

[Jorvik]

Dave, Dave, Dave...

I'd hate to have to swim over there and molest your dog.

Oh yeah, here's my quote

"The problem is that you still have hope to survive. The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you are already dead. The sooner you accept that fact, the sooner you will be able to function as a soldier is suppose to function."
-Lt. Spears in "Band of Brothers"

Kickass quote right there.

[DaveW]

Well as my dog is dead an burried for 8 years now....I'd be interested to see you try and molest her.:devil:

Quote to follow later tonight...I'm at work an da boss is watching.:eek:

[monkeyboy424]

band of brothers rules.

especially when you can rent them for a dollar a night.

[DaveW]

Yadda yadda yadda


"Beware of being too rational. In the country of the insane, the integrated man
doesn't become king. He gets lynched." (Aldous Huxley, Island)

[Yeti DHer]

"What's walmart? Is that where you hang out during the day? Do they sell walls there?" - Dumb (but hot) paris hilton

"I own you" - Yeti DHer

[Jorvik]

Originally posted by DaveW
Well as my dog is dead an burried for 8 years now....I'd be interested to see you try and molest her.:devil:



I've got my ways... :devil:

[Rip]

Originally posted by Yeti DHer
"What's walmart? Is that where you hang out during the day? Do they sell walls there?" - Dumb (but hot) paris hilton

"I own you" - Yeti DHer

You only one you own is yourself and 1/8th of a person. I said 1/8th of a person because that's all that monkeyboy equals to.

http://www.atypically.net/smilies/redfinger.gif

[DaveW]

To be honnest I'd be quite surprised if anyone wanted to own me.:confused:
(high maintenance costs plus little practical use out side of the bedroom)

[Jorvik]

I crap all over the house. You wouldn't want to own me.

[monkeyboy424]

rip, your jokes have gotten less funnier by the second comrade...

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
rip, your jokes have gotten less funnier by the second comrade...

I know, I think I have joker's block.

[DaveW]

This one's for comrade Jorvik. ;)

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast
the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."
(Josef Stalin)

[Jorvik]

Goddamn communists. I'm glad something like that will never happen here in America.



Wait a minute...

[DaveW]

Well the democracy bit died in florida the other year....so whats next? : :confused:
apparently some people are more equal than others in that state. :rolleyes

[monkeyboy424]

ahaha and arnold is my governor...

[Jorvik]

Lets raise one for Arnold.

What a beast.

[monkeyboy424]

he was cool till he came a polotion

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
he was cool till he came a polotion

Yeah damm those polotions.
they should take their pol's and go @$#%#%^&*#% them selves


by the way.......what's a Polotion? :confused:

[Yeti DHer]

Originally posted by myke
I really need to move someplace warm so I can ride and wrench all year. Everything is ice so prolly no riding...and anybody up north knows us non-service manager types dont get to do much wrench turning in the cold months. Im in like grease withdrawal, my nails are all clean its no good! And I dont get to ride much so my bike needs no attention. Im pretty new to the fulltime wrench stuff but im missing it...Damn winter! If only I had a car I would go boarding on my old crappy K2.

I miss my 20mile roundtrip commute mostly on dirt roads, *extrabonus* we had a shower at the shop. Then a full day of building hybrids and fixing flats...I swear this next season im going to find some trails to ride to work.

Ok im done ranting, its late my back is toasted from falling on my ass pushing a car out of the skating pond that is the driveway and I need to ride my bike! Possibly should have gone in general forums but seriously ppl nobody reads anything but the DH forum!

Come on now people, lets get back to the original topic that was posted over a year ago.... :p

[Rip]

Hell no.

[DaveW]

Nah.

Nag Nag Nag is all I see in that.:rolleyes:



To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to
stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt:
(1918)

[Jorvik]

"The man who would be a warrior considers it his most basic intention to keep death always in mind, day and night, from the time he first picks up his chopsticks in celebrating his morning meal on New Year's Day to the evening of the last day of the year. When one constantly keeps death in mind, both loyalty and filial piety are realized, myriad evils and disasters are avoided, one is without illness and mishap, and lives out a long life. In addition, even his character is improved. Such are the many benifits of this act."
-Daidoji Yuzan

[Yeti DHer]

I just did an interview for Feed Magazine. When I read their intro to it, I was interested to see that they made reference to my ``curious speeches.'' I'll take that as a compliment. Why I take it as a compliment is the subject of this speech. That's assuming this speech actually has a subject, which is still in doubt. Hey, at least it has a title. That's something.

By the way, I'm planning to leave some amount of time at the end for Q and A, so you should start thinking about the Q part while I'm talking.

When I was invited to talk here, it occurred to me that most of the people here would be more interested in Linux than in Perl, so, in the interests of universal harmonic convergence, I thought I should talk about both Perl and Linux. To do that, I had to figure out what Perl and Linux have in common. Besides the obvious, of course.

Obviously, both Perl and Linux owe a lot to Unix culture, but this is well documented. If I merely pointed out the obvious commonalities, I'd have to talk the whole time about things you can find out from the manuals. (Or should I say, things you ought to be able to find out from the manuals? Whatever.)

I'm not here today to teach you how to use Perl or Linux. I'm not here to teach you what Perl or Linux are.

I'm here to talk about why Perl and Linux have both been so successful. Note that I'm measuring success here not so much in terms of numbers of users, but in terms of satisfaction of users.

So I started thinking about deeper connections between Perl and Linux, and that led me to think more about the deeper reasons for writing software. And that led to the subject of this talk. I'm going to start off talking by about postmodernism. After that, I'll switch to talking about postmodernism. And at the conclusion, I'll return to the subject of postmodernism.

However, since this talk is itself a postmodern work of art, I'll be dragging in all sort of other cool things along the way, so maybe you won't fall asleep.

Nowadays people are actually somewhat jaded by the term ``postmodern''. Well, perhaps jaded is an understatement. Nauseated might be more like it. But, anyway, I still distinctly remember the first time I heard it back in the '70s. I think my jaw fell and bounced off the floor several times. To me it was utterly inconceivable that anything could follow modern. Isn't the very idea of ``modern'' always associated with the ideas ``new'' and ``now''?

The idea was so inconceivable to me that it took me at least ten seconds to figure it out. Or to think I'd figured it out. As a musician, the pat answer occurred to me almost immediately. I was familiar with the periods of music: Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and Modern. Obviously, if there were to be a period of music following the Modern, it would have to be called something other than Modern. And postmodern is as good a name as any, especially since it's a bit of a joke on the ordinary meaning of modern. Obviously the Modern period was misnamed.

But, as I said, that was the pat answer. The Modern period was not misnamed. True, the ordinary word ``modern'' is associated with ``new'' and ``now'', but the historical period we call Modern chose to associate itself with the ``new'' and the ``now'' in such a deep way that we actually see the breakdown of the whole notion of periods. The Modern period is the period that refuses to die. The world is now an odd mix of the Modern and the postmodern. Oddly, it's not just because the Modern refuses to die, but also because the postmodern refuses to kill the Modern. But then, the postmodern refuses to kill anything completely.

For example, it's been several decades now since a certain set of Bible translations came out, and you'll notice a pattern: the New English Bible, the New American Standard Bible, and the New International Version, to name a few. It's really funny. I suspect we'll still be calling them ``new this'' and ``new that'' a hundred years from now. Much like New College at Oxford. Do you know when New College was founded. Any guesses? New College was new in 1379.

A couple of days ago I was discussing all this with my daughter on the way to school. As usual, I turned on the radio to hear the news, and Heidi immediately started surfing all the music stations. Since this is one of the perils of fatherhood, I only said, ``I have to talk about postmodernism on Wednesday. What should I say?''

She said, ``Like, it's all about how you don't have justify everything with a reason anymore. You can just put in stuff because you like it, you know, because it's cool. With Modern stuff you always had to justify everything.''

I said, ``I still feel like I have to justify Perl all the time to a lot of people.''

She settled on a station with some interesting music, and said, ``This is Dave Matthews' Band. The thing that's really cool about him is that he, like, went out and found all these different artists who have different styles, and combined them all in ways you've never heard before.''

I said, ``Isn't it interesting how postmodernism has become so much a part of our culture that it's sort of fading into the woodwork?''

Heidi frowned and said, ``Dude, dad, it's not like it's some kind of a fad. Postmodernism is deeper than that--it really is the culmination of everything that went before it. Like, it's all about coming full circle. It's not like we're going to stop wanting to do that next week.''

I said, ``I suspect you're right. After all, the various earlier periods of music were measured in centuries.''

``It's not just music,'' she said.

``Well, of course not,'' I replied, ``all these things go together, but some disciplines change at different rates. The reason I'm giving this talk on Wednesday is because I think there's still a big streak of Modernism running through the middle of computer science, and a lot of people are out of touch with their culture. On the other hand, I'm not really out to fight Modernism, since postmodernism includes Modernism as just another valid source of ideas. In fact, Perl contains lots of modern ideas from computer science. Along with all the rest of the ideas in there.''

Heidi said, ``You wanna know something really funny. In my IMP class, our class slogan is, 'There's more than one way to do it.'''

``You're kidding,'' I said. [I should also say that that IMP stands for Interactive Math Program, which is a math curriculum in which you sort of learn everything at once. In sort of a postmodern way.] Anyway, I said, ``You're kidding.''

``No,'' she said, ``That's why IMP is better for math students like me--we learn better when we can see the big picture, and how everything fits in. The old way of learning math never gave you any context''.

While I was digesting this, and thinking about how it applied to computer science, she went on, ``Well, it's like, you know, we have this saying at school, when somebody gets uptight about something, we say: 'Tsall good. If someone is depressed, we say: 'Tsall good.'''

``But you don't actually think everything is good, do you?''

``No, of course not.''

``Are you saying that everything has good elements in it?''

``No, Dad, I think when we say that, we're saying that, overall, things are good. Like, look at the big picture, don't just focus in on the two or three bad things that are happening to you right now.''

I report this conversation to you not just because I think my kids are cute and smart, but also because I think it's important that we know where our culture is going, and because it's our kids that will shape our culture in the future. I don't think I could have defined postmodernism better than Heidi. Look at the big picture. Don't focus in on two or three things to the exclusion of other things. Keep everything in context. Don't go out of your way to justify stuff that's obviously cool. Don't ridicule ideas merely because they're not the latest and greatest. Pick your own fashions. Don't let someone else tell you what you should like. 'Tsall good.

That's all well and good, but I ask you, if it's all good, why, in every other breath, does my daughter say ``That sucks.''?

There's a mystery here, and if we can fathom it, perhaps we'll learn a thing or two. I think that what's going on here is that our culture has undergone a basic shift, one that is actually healthy. It used to be that we evaluated everything and everyone based on reputation or position. And the basic underlying assumption was that we all had to agree whether something (or someone) was good or bad. Most of us actually used to believe in monoculturalism. Although even back then, we didn't really practice it. And in fact, you could argue that the whole point of Modernism was to break our cultural assumptions. We could argue all day long about whether postmodernism came about because Modernism succeeded or because it failed. As a postmodern myself, I take both sides. To some extent.

This would bother a Modernist, because a Modernist has to decide whether this is true OR that is true. The Modernist believes in OR more than AND. Postmodernists believe in AND more than OR. In the very postmodern Stephen Sondheim musical, _Into the Woods_, one of the heroines laments, ``Is it always or, and never and?'' Of course, at the time, she was trying to rationalize an adulterous relationship, so perhaps we'd better drop that example. Well, hey. At least we can use Perl as an example. In Perl, AND has higher precedence than OR does. There you have it. That proves Perl is a postmodern language.

But back to the monoculturism of Modernism, or rather the assumption of monoculturalism. Nowadays we've managed to liberate ourselves from that assumption, by and large (where by and large doesn't yet include parts of the Midwest). This has had the result that we're actually free to evaluate things (and people) on the basis of what's actually good and what's actually bad, rather than having to take someone's word for it.

More than that, we're required to make individual choices, the assumption being that not everyone is going to agree, and that not everyone should be required to agree. However, in trade for losing our monoculturalism, we are now required to discuss things. We're not required to agree about everything, but we are required to at least agree to disagree. Since we're required to discuss things, this has the effect that we tend to ``deconstruct'' the things we evaluate. I'll talk more about the pros and cons of deconstructionism in a bit, but let me just throw out an example to wake you up.




- Larry Wall, LinuxWorld 1999.

[Rip]

I didn't read all that babbling, too damn long.

[Jorvik]

So many words....



*fetal position*

[DaveW]

Yeti .....Be ashamed for your self. :(

You have actually managed to create a post EVEN MORE BORING!!!
than the monkeyboygirl's worst efforts. :eek: :mad:



During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has to
masquerade often under the guise of patriotism: Howard Thurman:

Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward
those who are not regarded as members of the herd. Bertrand Russell:

[monkeyboy424]

did you know that in the 41st millenium, there will be only war? the nice man who lives in GOlden Gate Park told me that. then i fed the ducks.

[DaveW]

As none of us will be alive at that time......I DON'T CARE!!

Git.

[Rip]

Well only that we are in the 4th millenium, I say we got a long ways to go.

[Jorvik]

You know what they say: Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

[monkeyboy424]

of course

[DaveW]

yeah but they only say that sort of thing at geek festivals......so just where have you been hanging out Jorrrrrrvik? :rolleyes:

[monkeyboy424]

ahaahh

[DaveW]

Humidity is 90% today.
Getting muggy in here.

Hmmm.....how to "TOP" this post off??

Ahh I know.....

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in
the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are
cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is
spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of
its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the
clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron. Dwight Eisenhower:

[Jorvik]

We'll go right into a quotation of me again:


"DaveW is a sheep fvcker."



Genius.

[Rip]

A duck can't walk without bobbing it's head.

[Jorvik]

You learn something new every single day.

[monkeyboy424]

yes yes, but can they fly without bobbing there head?

[Yeti DHer]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
yes yes, but can they fly without bobbing there head?

yeah... :confused: :eek:

[Rip]

Yeti, you got to remember monkeyboy thinks that Cows go Meow, Dogs go ribbit and Cats go MOO.

[Jorvik]

Its true, monkeyboy is an idiot

[DaveW]

Ducks can walk/waddle without bobbing their heads.....and fly without doing so as well.

It's Pigeon's and Dove's that have all the head bobing palaver.


“Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to
who does them. There is almost no kind of outrage-----torture, imprisonment
without trial, assassination, the bombing of civilians-----which does not
change its moral color when it is committed by ‘our’ side. … The nationalist
not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a
remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
-----George Orwell


ps Jorvik is a worm Fu8ker...
only thing with a small enough hole apparently.

[Jorvik]

I'm not a topper with the worms, I'll let you know...


I'll let that sink in.

[Rip]

Originally posted by DaveW
Ducks can walk/waddle without bobbing their heads.....and fly without doing so as well.

It's Pigeon's and Dove's that have all the head bobing palaver.


“Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to
who does them. There is almost no kind of outrage-----torture, imprisonment
without trial, assassination, the bombing of civilians-----which does not
change its moral color when it is committed by ‘our’ side. … The nationalist
not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a
remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
-----George Orwell


ps Jorvik is a worm Fu8ker...
only thing with a small enough hole apparently.

Depends on the duck, the tall ones don't bob their heads, the mallards do however.

[monkeyboy424]

w00t i am a 1337 h4x0r :rolleyes:

[Rip]

I'm here, I'm sick, I haven't eaten since 7:30 am ET, friend went to get me my supper, and it's taking this friend 2 hours, and I'm getting frikken pissed off. Edit:Ex-friend never got food for me, instead he got baseball cards for himself with my money.

Lesson learned:Even when you are too sick to drive to get your own supper, never trust a friend with your money, so the friend can get you your supper.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Rip
Depends on the duck, the tall ones don't bob their heads, the mallards do however.
Ahh....didn't know that. :)

Well at least I'm still on top. :D

[monkeyboy424]

actually im on top ****stick

[DaveW]

Nope ....don't think so.

"I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the
oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest
purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government." Rev. Martin
Luther King. 4 April 1967

[Yeti DHer]

Let's stop this quote sh|t right now. Thanks

[Rip]

No

[DaveW]

Just for you Yeti my dearest.........2 extra quotes for today.


Great things are done when men and mountains meet.
This is not done by jostling in the street.
William Blake


We have flown the air like birds and swam the sea like fishes, but have yet to learn the simple act of walking the earth like Brothers.
Dr Martin Luther King Jr

[Rip]

Violence is red.
Hatred is Blue.
And if you ask me.
Monkeyboy is a fvcking tool.

[DaveW]

Well know one did ask you rip....off
:rolleyes:

But what the hell you are quite correct anyway. :D

[Jorvik]

"Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, and why we died. All that matters is that today, two stood against many. Valor pleases you, so grant me this one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, the HELL with you!"
Conan the Barbarian

I think I win the quote game with this one.

[monkeyboy424]

no never.

you lose and will always lose until worms can fvcking hear

[DaveW]

This is the face of america that he rest of the world see's.
My what a ....."interesting" choice of leader you have. :rolleyes:


Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?: George W. Bush:

For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And,
folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going
to do something about it. George W. Bush:

One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic
pictures: George W. Bush:

I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I
rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the
news themselves. (September 21, 2003) George W. Bush:






"Every great institution is the lengthened shadow of a single man. His character
determines the character of the organization." (Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[monkeyboy424]

ahaha

i heard George w. bush went to mexico so that their president could teach him english.

[Rip]

No, dubbya went to mexico to scout the land.

[monkeyboy424]

uhhhh


?

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
uhhhh


?

Was drunk and/or exhausted when I typed that.

[Jorvik]

Speaking of drunk!

WOOO!

[DaveW]

Speaking of Drunk ...
I wish I was.:(

Usually I have to produce 1 magazine per week. This week I have to turn out 3 magazines.

F*CK!!!

I hate christmas shut downs.:( :( :( :( :( :( :(
14 hour day so far today with only 1 half hour break. I won't be out of here for a while yet. and then another 3 days of it to go.
on Friday I plan to get incredibly drunk and try to shag Karren the reporter sitting next to me. :D

[monkeyboy424]

ahahaha

good old drunkness....

[DaveW]

Whoooooops!!
Almost forgot.

Todays Yeti hounding quotation.
Twice as nice ,double dipping, 2 for the price of one extravaganza. :D

A couple of oldies but goodies. :cool:


"It is never right to do wrong or to requite wrong with wrong, or when we suffer
evil to defend ourselves by doing evil in return." : Socrates 469 - 399 BC

In the country of the blind the one-eyed man is king: Erasmus c.1469 - 1536

[Yeti DHer]

When all you fools (except for dave since he lives in nz) are freezing your asses off and soaking wet and coughing up a lung, I'll be sipping a pina colada on a beach somewhere out in the middle of the carribean...

Friday I leave for a cruise.. YAY!

Merry christmas to all, and to all I hope you die (except for davew cause he owns this thread)

[DaveW]

Ahh yes work's over....except for the company christmas pissup at the beach tomorrow afternoon. :D

I feel pretty damm shell shocked . I just did a 40 hour working week in 2.5 days (2x14 hour shifts & a 12 hour shift). :eek:
But I did it I got 3 magazines out and so the next deadline ain't due till Jan 5th.

Till to chill out in balmy south pacific summer weather.
Oh and my friend just finished the bike trail that I've been building for the last few months.
So I'm gonna go for a ride on that to christen it tomorrow morning beore the BBQ at the beach. :cool:
let the summer good times roll!!:D

Merry xmas to the Yeti.
and to my Sith apprentise Amateur. ;)

[Rip]

Uggh

[monkeyboy424]

ahahah while your in the caribbean, ill be shredding it up on my skis....

i hope your boat sinks.

dave, i hope you choke on a rip or a hot dog or something.

rip, why the uggh? you been taking it up the rear again?

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
rip, why the uggh? you been taking it up the rear again?

My wisdom teeth are flaring up.

[DaveW]

A good conscience is a continual Christmas." : - Benjamin Franklin
Yawn....feel so tired today. didn't get to sleep till 4am.
Got pretty damm drunk tho. non stop drinking from midday untill 2am. :rolleyes:

My head feels like monkey boy looks! :eek: BAAAAAAAD!!!!!!

[monkeyboy424]

wisdom teeth eh?

[Rip]

Not able to get them removed until spring break.:(

[Mitzel123]

yup!! i win

[RhinofromWA]

I can not beleive this thread is still alive. :D

Good job guys, gals, whatever.....didn't read the last 40 pages. :D

[Rip]

Hmm, I haven't read the first 20 pages yet.

[DaveW]

Im sad to say that I've read every single post in this thread....all 1,600+ of them.:eek:



Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars,
pretending generally, if not always,
that the good of the people was the object: Abraham Lincoln

[monkeyboy424]

merry chirstmas to rhino and mitzel, and i guess jorvik can have half a merry christmas, rip can have a half a merry chirstmas too.

but dave only gets a happy ramadan. ass.

[Rip]

Monkeyboy, have you found your way out of your paper bag yet?

[monkeyboy424]

nope

i was also a little drunk when i typed that. gotta love huge family gatherings with lots of cheap booze.

[Rip]

What a way to bring in 2004, I have the frikken hangover from hell.

[DaveW]

Arrgh back at work already. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[Jorvik]

Woah, haven't posted here in a while.

Glad to see that monkeyboy is still a tool.


I am IRONMAN!

[Rip]

Working on a 64 FL OZ of of a Macro brew from VT called Trout River. Type of Scottish Ale which is at 8.0 %.

[DaveW]

I think I might take up brewing my own beer......experiments with Alcohol!!

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :cool: :D :cool:

[Jorvik]

That can only lead to good things.

Like beer.





Wow, that was deep.

[DaveW]

Well said.........I never thought I'd say that about you Jorvik.:confused: :rolleyes:





The history of the race, and each individual's experience, are thick with
evidence that a truth is not hard to kill and that a lie told well is immortal:
Mark Twain

[monkeyboy424]

thats it dave. its on wiht the quote thing.

To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.
Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

[DaveW]

Don't worry I won't hit you monkeything......
Jorvik might though.

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompentent"
-Issac Asimov


Hey Jorvik when you become a real marine remember this one....


"I helped make mexico safe for american oil interests in 1914. I helped make Hati and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue in. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers... I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras "right" for American fruit companies in 1903. Looking back on it, i might have given Al Copone a few hints."
-Marine Corps Gen. Simedly D. Butler
:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :D :p

[Rip]

So monkeygirlboy,
Get done with potty training yet?

[DaveW]

Burrp!




Whatever you do, you need courage. Whatever course you decide upon, there is
always someone to tell you that you are wrong. There are always difficulties
arising that tempt you to believe your critics are right. To map out a course
of action and follow it to an end requires some of the same courage that a
soldier needs. Peace has its victories, but it takes brave men and women to win
them: Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Jorvik]

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell

SHAZAM!

And thats a good quote from General Smedley Butler

[DaveW]

SHAZZAP!


"SHAZAM!

And thats a good quote from General Smedley Butler"
Jorvik 2004



LOL :p :p :p :D

[monkeyboy424]

you idiot!

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
you idiot!

look who's talking.:rolleyes:

[monkeyboy424]

figured youd say that. but it takes one to know one you testical fondeler.

[amateur]

Greetings knob slobbers! I have returned :)

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
figured youd say that. but it takes one to know one you testical fondeler.
Only the true idiot would say testical fondeler. In this case it's you.

[Jorvik]

Monkeyboy, have your friend give me that shipping info already dammit!

[RideND]

I have no idea what this thread is about and it is too long to find out. so yeah I agree.

[DaveW]

Man.....cept for Amateur, you all suck!!

And in monkeyfondler424's case that means sucking sweaty sumo bollock's.


Demagogue: one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to
be idiots: -H.L. Mencken

That quote pretty much sums up my part in this thread. :devil: :D

[monkeyboy424]

sassafrassa

[DaveW]

Old broken or wornout derilliers, hubs, and shifters hold up in overflowing
boxes and shelves, orphan spares in an age of buy it and throw it. Old bikes,
traded in bikes, bikes to repair later hang around out in the store room
away from the glimmer of the spotlight. Out of sight languishes the broken
bikes, crashed bikes, unwanted old bikes, their final destination uncertain.
Not far from the elephant graveyard will be found the bicylcle eqivalent I'm sure.

As the years roll by, seasons come and go, whells get spoked and bikes roll
out the door into the big wide world. To be ridden fast or slow, on or off
road, up or down hill, it doesn't matter as long as they are out there roatating.
Every day in your town they are in tghere assembling them, repairing them
in the Church of Roatating Mass.
The old building comfortable like an old roll arm sofa on the ride of it's life.

Dave Mitchell
October 2002
:cool:

[Jorvik]

DaveW, that post was way too long for monkeygirl. Keep it short and concise with no big words.

[Rip]

For example.

No words over three syllables.

[Jorvik]

Good.


Hoping for waves in the next couple months. That'd be awesome, except I need to secure a winter wetsuit...

[DaveW]

Wetsuit?

Your soft! :p

Harden up son. :stosh: :nuts: :nopity:

[DaveW]

Damm Damm Damm :(
All my beautiful posts.....Lost all Lost!!!!!! :eek: :(

rotten stinking data base crashes.:mad:

and todays quote

"Some pointless drivel that should never have been posted"
Monkeybotherer424

[Rip]

Best quote so far.

[DaveW]

Why thank you. :)

[amateur]

Damn it all:mad: A rock bit me and now I'm off to le hospital tomorrow for x-rays:( At least it doesn't hurt too bad:rolleyes:

[DaveW]

Did you bite it back?

I always try to...gotta keep em in their places ya know.;)

[amateur]

Originally posted by DaveW
Did you bite it back?

I always try to...gotta keep em in their places ya know.;)
Arg, I knew I forgot something! Fack! I gmith have to have surgery:angry: I broke off part of my thumb down by the wrist, but luckily the ligaments are hold the chunkc there:rolleyes: Pins might be involved, but at least they're Ti!&$#@

[Rip]

Damn, that's bad luck, get well soon.

[DaveW]

Sssssalright we have the technology, we can rebuild him.
Slower, heavier, dumber.

:D .....but that last bit could be difficult. ;) :p

[Jorvik]

I'll tell you something. There's nothing quite like dating a slut.

[Yeti DHer]

hello, sorry I was gone so long, I was taking one of those never ending sh|ts...

[Mitzel123]

blah blah blah

[Rip]

What are you doing here?

[Mitzel123]

Originally posted by Rip
What are you doing here?


i am king. duh

[Rip]

Yeah, the king of the plumber's crack.

[Jorvik]

Everybody wants to be as cool as us. Some people, like Monkeyboy and Mitzel, will never be. What they can do is wipe our collective asses in hopes of someday us recognizing them in another light other than under our asses.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Rip
Yeah, the king of the plumber's crack.


OMG!!!:eek: :eek:

......You have a pretender to your Throne? :devil: :p :D



"We knocked the bast*rd off!"
Sir Edmund Hillary after climbing Everest

[Mitzel123]

ha i just reclaimed my throne, biatch:D :devil:

[monkeyboy424]

uhh...

this thread has lost its, how do you say, "ooomph".

we must fix this.

discuss.

[Mitzel123]

nope, im still on top

[Rip]

Monkeygirl has a point.

Mitzel is monkeygirl's brother/sister/aunt/uncle/father.

[Mitzel123]

it would be father

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Rip
Monkeygirl has a point.


No She / It doesn't. :p

This thread was just fine sitting there at the top of the page with my name on it.

Now hop it you pesky lil intelectual rugrats. :p :p :p

[monkeyboy424]

there it goes, say buby oopmh....

its leaving all becasue idiot dave killed it. way to go idiot dave!

[DaveW]

Oi ....

I thought I told you to buggerorrf. :mad:



Those in possession of absolute power can not only prophesy and make their
prophecies come true, but they can also lie and make their lies come true: Eric
Hoffer

[Rip]

Remember Monkeygirl can't read, she's too god damn stupid to have any motor skills.

[DaveW]

Oh yeah. :(
damm these village idiots. :mad:





Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in a
continuous stampede of patriotic fervour -- with the cry of grave national
emergency. Always, there has been some terrible evil at home, or some monstrous
foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind
it: General Douglas MacArthur

[monkeyboy424]

dave...

stop with the gay quotes...

rip, go soak your fat head....

[Rip]

Obviously hooked on phonics did not work for monkeygirl.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
dave...

stop with the gay quotes...

rip, go soak your fat head....


Get bent monkeyfondler424



It's a good thing to be foolishly gay once in a while. -- Horace

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
dave...

stop with the gay quotes...

rip, go soak your fat head....


I will never listen to monkeyfondler424



The foolish are like ripples on water, For whatsoever they do is quickly effaced; But the righteous are like carvings upon stone, For their smallest act is durable. -- Nagarjuna

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
dave...

stop with the gay quotes...

rip, go soak your fat head....


:p :p :p

Go soak your fat head
monkeyfondler424

:p :p :p

[monkeyboy424]

dave that was pitiful.

i expected more than that...

[DaveW]

Well I supose I could have given you more.

But face it.......your not worth giving more. :p


The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer
not to hear: Herbert Sebastien Agar

[Rip]

Monkeygirl has lost it's touch.

[DaveW]

You should be ashamed of yourself for letting it touch you Rip. :rolleyes: :p





Sex: the thing that takes up the least amount of time and causes the most amount of trouble. -- John Barrymore

[Rip]

Originally posted by DaveW
You should be ashamed of yourself for letting it touch you Rip. :rolleyes: :p





Sex: the thing that takes up the least amount of time and causes the most amount of trouble. -- John Barrymore

I did not let it touch me.

[DaveW]

Ah good ...we won't have to have you put down just yet then. :D


Our virtues are most frequently but vices disguised. -- François La Rochefoucauld

[DaveW]

*cough*


'cuse .....me bit of a ticklish throat today. :rolleyes:

[Rip]

Bleh.

"If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which he has inflicted on men, he would kill himself." -Alexander Dumas

[DaveW]

Eep Oop Ork Arp means I love you too.
:rolleyes: nah ...not really.


Heresies are experiments in man's unsatisfied search for truth. -- H. G. Wells

[monkeyboy424]

Originally posted by DaveW
i like it in the rear

now thats the most truthful quote EVER!

[DaveW]

Ahh I see that monkey boy is having problems coming up with "real" quotations.
Useing google a bit hard for you is it?


"what that man needs is a damm good pyschotic axe weilding slaughter" Rod Boswell Jan 2004

[monkeyboy424]

google is for pansies.

pansy

[DaveW]

Technophobe
Neophobe
:p

[monkeyboy424]

aquaphobe
arachniphobe
homophobe
claustrophobe
assphobe!

hah i know big words too!

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424

assphobe!



Mmmmmmmmmm Ass!:love: :heart: :heart: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
aquaphobe
arachniphobe
homophobe
claustrophobe
assphobe!

hah i know big words too!

Monkeygirl is due for an assprobe.

[DaveW]

Indeed.


Know any handy aliens? :confused:

[Rip]

"But the most powerful of all arguments is that of nothing but independence, i.e., a continental form of government, can keep the peace of the continent and preserve it inviolate from civil wars. O dread the event of reconciliation with Britain now, as it is more than probable, that it will be followed by a revolt somewhere or other, the consequences of which may be far more fatal than all the malice of Britain."Thomas Paine, Common Sense.

[DaveW]

Nice quote. :)



Liberty can not be preserved without general knowledge among people." (August
1765) John Adams


:p

[amateur]

Wow, it's really been too long:(

I'm back to reclaim my throne

[DaveW]

Whatchu talkin "bout willis??

That be MY THRONE........ YOU ...YOU USURPER!!:mad:

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeygirl424
I am one with the afro.

[DaveW]

I say there ...yes you ....Whatchu talkin "bout willis??
:confused: :monkey:

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
I am a nut licker.

We knew that already monkeygirl.

[DaveW]

Had a nice weekend at the beach. There was a lone dolphin playing in the surf for most of the afternoon. Pretty cool but I wonder where the rest of his pod were?? they usually come into ocean beach in groups of 10-20 or so at a time.

heh heh
I enjoyed seening the panicky expresions on the swimmers faces when they first saw the fin slice through the water, and they thought it was a shark. :devil: :monkey:

[Rip]

Sounded like fun.

[DaveW]

It was. :D

[monkeyboy424]

gay. this thread has lost its touch with out Jorvik

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
gay.

For F**KS SAKES STOP TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF ALL THE TIME YOU MISSRIBLE WORM!!!!!!:mad:

[monkeyboy424]

your come-backs are those of a 8 year old Dave W

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
mE wish I waz az smar t az Dave W

Hooked on phonics did not work for you I see.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
your come-backs are those of a 8 year old Dave W

Yes I thought I'd drag that post down to nearly your level just so's you don't feel too left out. :thumb: :stupid:

See I really am a nice guy. :D

[monkeyboy424]

well haey thanks Dave.

sometimes its good to know you are appreciated! :rolleyes:

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
well haey thanks Dave.

sometimes its good to know you are appreciated! :rolleyes:

Steaming piles of poo in a public area are more appreciated than you are monkeygirl.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
well haey thanks Dave.

sometimes its good to know you are appreciated! :rolleyes:

Well whattaya know....it doesn't understand sarcasim yet?? :rolleyes:

[Rip]

Definitely can see that.

[Rip]

I think it got dumber over his two years here!

[Rip]

Back to top.

[DaveW]

Really? :rolleyes:

[monkeyboy424]

Rip your the assmunch who looked to see how long i have been posting here. you assmunch.

[DaveW]

Hey monkeything424...

What is it with you and this munching on ass's fixation of yours???:confused: :confused:
you seem to talk about it a hell of a lot. :nono: :stosh:

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
Rip your the assmunch who looked to see how long i have been posting here. you assmunch.

I did not look up anything stupid, it's stated you registered in March 2002 right under your usertitle.:rolleyes:

[DaveW]

And anyway.....compared to my joining date, your both just 'Orrible lil newbies anyway. :p :p

[Rip]

Originally posted by DaveW
And anyway.....compared to my joining date, your both just 'Orrible lil newbies anyway. :p :p

But I got more posts, monkeygirl is the one eyed bastard in this thread anyways.

[DaveW]

This is true...
However I have gone for quality not quantity.

SO THERE!!!

:p :p :p :p

Now stop argueing with your elders and betters you lil newbie you. :rolleyes: :D :D

[monkeyboy424]

asshat

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
I have an ass

Finally learning about your anatomy?

[DaveW]

well hopefuly his. :eek: :nuts:

[Rip]

Originally posted by DaveW
well hopefuly his. :eek: :nuts:

Hope so as well.

[DaveW]

Ahh so all is not hopeless then. :)

[monkeyboy424]

ill give you a quote beehotches.

“Out damned spot, out, I say! Hell is murky. Fie, my lord, fie, a solider and afeared? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account? Yet who would have thought that the old man would have had so much blood in him?”

[monkeyboy424]

MORE YOU BEEHOTCHES! (im obvioulsy supposed to be typing a macbeth paper)

“Thou canst not say I did it. Never shake thy gory locks at me.”

[DaveW]

how unoriginal.

*yawn* :rolleyes:

[monkeyboy424]

We are continually faced with a series of great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems.
John W. Gardner (1912 - )

beehotch

[Rip]

That is a very bad quote.

[monkeyboy424]

yah it is, but it just goes to show that i DO know how to use google, it just isnt worth my time.

[Rip]

"For a Bitter Taste, drink with ex-girlfriend."-Newcastle cap.

[monkeyboy424]

this thread is going nowhere....... FAST!

[Rip]

You mean like your IQ. ER wait that's still falling.

[monkeyboy424]

dude. atleast im not in that whole respect stuff right?

[DaveW]

Quite correct. No one respects you or your "stuff" as you put it. :rolleyes:

[Rip]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
dude. atleast im not in that whole respect stuff right?

I'm not a member of that respect stuff.

[DaveW]

Why not? ... just currious. :)

[Rip]

Because Monkeygirl is a closet member.

[DaveW]

Yeah I guess that's a fair enough reason. :)

[monkeyboy424]

ahha man i kinda get it now.

think BEFORe you post.

the respect cape cult.

[DaveW]

What the hell is cape cult??? :confused: :monkey:

[monkeyboy424]

ask rip.

[DaveW]

I was asking Rip...... SO PIPE DOWN!

[Rip]

I have no frikken idea about it, all I know is that it is pointless.

[DaveW]

Ahh so it's just another standard monkeyboyism.
:rolleyes:
I shoulda known better.

[monkeyboy424]

do you guys have enemies?

[DaveW]

No

The peoples of the world they love us for how we deride your sad attempts at posting. :p :D :D :D

[Rip]

Originally posted by DaveW
No

The peoples of the world they love us for how we deride your sad attempts at posting. :p :D :D :D

Exactly.

[DaveW]

:D

[monkeyboy424]

yah neither do I.

this thread sucks with out jorvik.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by monkeyboy424
yah neither do I.

this thread sucks with out jorvik.

Don't worry ...Soon he's bound to hunt you down and eliminate you to put you out of our misery. :cool:

[monkeyboy424]

yah i know he is in the ****ing marines.

[DaveW]

Mmmm cannon fodder.

Or is that Fallujah fodder?? :confused:

[amateur]

Davey*)&! I enjoyed your hurricane yesterday. 12-15ft and HOLLOW. Got in some pre-season work last weekend, ditched school tuesday, dawn patrol surf, went home, slept, went out, body surfed 10ft hollow glass, ate, ran down to The Wedge, almost died, and made a rescue and then assisted the guard on duty with a neck/back. Holy hell. Thank you New Zealand!!

[DaveW]

Our hurricane???? :confused: :monkey:

sounds like a full on day. :cool: :D

Our Surf lifesaving season ended last sunday.
Waters getting pretty cold now (icecream headache's already)

I took that junior guard that nearly died up here down with me to Karekare for the last day. I have been slowly working him back up to the point where he's ok to go back out in reasonable waves (5ft+). So I took him out on the west coast to my other beach where the waves are more powerful, We swam out the back it was 5-6ft offshore and semi clean but wit a nasty northerly drift. He was cool for about 10 mins... but then he just freaked. :(
We got back in ok,but he was shakey for a while.
He's still keen to try to get back into it. But I guess it's gonna take a while longer yet. :(

[monkeyboy424]

yah that sucks about your friend dave, the ocean scares me also, not to the point that i won't swi in it though. maybe its the fact that i realized that it is possible that one of the water molecules that i was swimming in might have touched you, and that alone is PETREFIEING.

[DaveW]

Hmmm.

Note to self Must try to teach water molecules to attack monkeything on sight! :devil:

[Rip]

lol.

[DaveW]

What are you laughing for? :confused: ...... I'm serious!! :mad:

[Rip]

I just got a kick out of it last night, but after thinking about it, it is a really good idea.

[DaveW]

That's because all my ideas about being evil to monkeything424 are good ideas.

Now how do we go about doing this? :confused: :monkey:

[monkeyboy424]

i dunno but ill help

[Rip]

Why are you volunteering to help some alter something so that it will attack you?

[DaveW]

Don't monkey thing424.
it's more sporting fun for us if you fight it. :devil:

Hmmm I havn't done any quotations for awhile now....
time to make up for that with avengence!!!

just call me the devil monkeys advocate. :devil: :monkey:
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAH!

_
Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for
him. Why is he there? And I tell you this morning that he's in the White House
because God put him there for a time such as this: Lt Gen William Boykin,
speaking of G. W. Bush, New York Times, 17 October 2003

=

God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and unshakeable
faith, that he was sent to us by God to save Germany. Hermann Goering, speaking
of Hitler

=

If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long
as I'm the dictator. George W. Bush, 18 December 2000

=

International law? I better call my lawyer; he didn't bring that up to me;
George W. Bush, 12 December 2003

[chicodude]

Originally posted by DaveW


=

International law? I better call my lawyer; he didn't bring that up to me;
George W. Bush, 12 December 2003


dumbass

[Jorvik]

Going to kick some ass for three months, I'll catch you all later.

Monkeybitch, you're still (and always will be) a bitch.

[Rip]

Originally posted by chicodude01
dumbass

Get the **** out of here you damn newbie.

[DaveW]

Easy there Rip..... he's a newbie but he's still 59 billion times (at a guess) better than that monkeything424. :rolleyes: :D

[Rip]

Originally posted by DaveW
Easy there Rip..... he's a newbie but he's still 59 billion times (at a guess) better than that monkeything424. :rolleyes: :D

Not much better, but better than monkeygirl.

[DaveW]

Ahh the delicate art of diplomacy..... you'll go far young Mr Rip.

the further away the better. :D :p

[Yeti DHer]

Originally posted by Rip
Get the **** out of here you damn newbie.

Chico is allowed here. I am the pioneer of this thread along with DaveW and what I say rules over everyone.

[monkeyboy424]

****.

guess waht four letter word that was? ill email you a prize.