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Jr_Bullit
10-19-2004, 01:52 PM
Silly way to phrase it - sorry, it's more like dems vs. repubs, but everyone seems to think all dems = libs and all repubs = conservs.

I stumbled across this blog in my local news paper. They have a small group of active citizens posting their thoughts on the election - :) good entertainment and good reading.

A lady did an interesting assessment of Libs vs. Conservs. Take a read :)

October 12, 2004

A Dem view of them vs. us
Posted by Anna Kleppert at 02:38 PM

I met a woman in Albuquerque, New Mexico with a fresh approach on how to choose a president. She plans to watch each candidate’s performance on the Dr. Phil show, assess in her own mind their strengths and weaknesses in character only, and then use that as her sole source of information on voting day.

She said that the most important characteristics of a strong and able leader are represented and played out in his or her family life, and that Kerry and Bush would be questioned about their thoughts on child rearing and family on the Dr. Phil show. And though to me this approach to staying politically active and aware seems a bit ridiculous, to many Americans it makes perfect sense. And I am going to go out on a limb and say that I bet it makes more sense to conservative Republicans than liberal Democrats.

So this discussion about Dr. Phil got me thinking. A running debate among my friends surrounds the question: what singular characteristic sets us liberals apart from our conservative counterparts?

Here is my proposition (a great sweeping generalization to be sure): conservative Republicans want someone to represent them whom they would be proud to have as a family member, someone whose character is unquestionable, whose approach to child rearing is in line with their own, whose children they would want their children to play with.

I think questions of sexual orientation, abortion and the like are very personal considerations that, when approached with a “do I want a gay couple living next door to my children?”-type of mentality strike a chord deep in the hearts of many conservatives. I think conservatives consider questions that have deeply moral and religious origins and then hope that their representative government will pass laws and elect judges that will promise to maintain the quality of life they deem to be important.

It seems that many of the more conservative Republicans I have encountered on my trip across America are first and foremost concerned with how they will personally be affected by a new president or senator.

In contrast, I offer my sweeping generalization of more liberal Democrats that I have developed over the past couple of weeks. They too take a personal approach to political issues but are just as likely to consider other people -- whom they may not even know -- as individuals with specific concerns when speculating about how certain laws might affect an individual.

For instance, the Patriot Act is some of the worst legislation I have seen in my lifetime, but I don’t think it has or will affect me personally very much. I know what rights of mine may be infringed upon under the guise of the Patriot Act, and I know that I will most likely have minimal interaction with the Act. But when I generalize the Act and think about all the other individuals in this country whose will be greatly harmed due solely to race, intellectual pursuits or even religious beliefs, I am angered. It seems that liberal Dems are also far more prone to consider people of other countries on this individual level.

I know I’m just touching the tip of the iceberg here, but I feel like the gist of the Republican Party is centered on the locus of individualized fear. I think your average conservative Republican is fearful that his daughter will have an abortion, fearful that his son will be attracted to another man, fearful that he’ll be attacked by terrorists during his daily commute.

These are all deeply personal fears that, to be sure, conservative and moderate Democrats have as well. The difference I see, though, is that while some Democrats may be morally against homosexuality, they are less likely than Republicans to vote based solely on such a personal issue. To them the issues that are of the utmost importance, this issues that should make or break a candidate’s run to office are those that deeply affect other individuals both in this country and around the world.

Silver
10-19-2004, 02:25 PM
Anyone who votes based on a Dr. Phil interview really shouldn't have a vote in the first place...

I want to know why the hell the candidates are on Dr. Phil anyways. They must never get tired of hitting softballs.

Damn True
10-19-2004, 02:36 PM
Now-now if a felony conviction isn't adequete reason to take away somones vote then surely pure stupidity shant either.

Jr_Bullit
10-19-2004, 02:48 PM
DT - do you honestly think the number of individuals convicted of a felony is so great that it will nullify your own contribution to the system? When there are more people convicted of felonies then there are regular blokes out there working and whining their way through life then maybe you should be afraid of them and their contribution to a society they live in, participate in, and are legal members of.

zod
10-19-2004, 03:21 PM
Dr. Phil is the man.........he sells a diet plan to millions yet he is over weight???? I think he might be the debil :devil:

Just Lookin'...
10-19-2004, 03:23 PM
DT - sorry, your reply strikes me as irrelevant to this topic. are you stalking jr_bullit?

Damn True
10-19-2004, 03:47 PM
No, I'm pointing out the irony in Silvers statement.

....and Jen, if a few hundred more ex-cons had been convinced by the DNC to register a few years ago Gore would be president right now.

So yeah....I think it matters.

Tenchiro
10-19-2004, 03:49 PM
No, I'm pointing out the irony in Silvers statement.

....and Jen, if a few hundred more ex-cons had been convinced by the DNC to register a few years ago Gore would be president right now.

So yeah....I think it matters.

Like we would be any worse off now if Gore were runnign the show....

Jr_Bullit
10-19-2004, 08:42 PM
Like Gore didn't win the popular vote anyways :rolleyes:

Changleen
10-19-2004, 09:55 PM
I know I’m just touching the tip of the iceberg here, but I feel like the gist of the Republican Party is centered on the locus of individualized fear.
Word. The current administration is all about keeping the American public scared.

Changleen
10-19-2004, 09:58 PM
No, I'm pointing out the irony in Silvers statement.

....and Jen, if a few hundred more ex-cons had been convinced by the DNC to register a few years ago Gore would be president right now.

So yeah....I think it matters.Or if they'd done the recount properly...

zod
10-19-2004, 11:15 PM
Word. The current administration is all about keeping the American public scared.


Word, that's why they talk about the draft all the time........ :rolleyes:

Changleen
10-20-2004, 12:51 AM
Are you scared of the Draft, Zod? You should get some new double glazed windows and get a cloth snake to go by your front door.

zod
10-20-2004, 07:09 AM
No, I'm not afraid of the draft but if you are trying to say that Kerry bringing up a draft is not scare tactics then you need to take your blinders off.

Both sides are using scare tactics, don't be blind to the side you have a boner for.

fluff
10-20-2004, 07:36 AM
Be afraid, very afraid.

Then vote for us, we're just as afraid as you are, honest.